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  • Full Italian Americans have a STRONGER Levant/North African element than people in South Italy/Sicily today.

    1 14.29%
  • Full Italian Americans have a WEAKER Levant/North African element than people in South Italy/Sicily today.

    3 42.86%
  • There is almost no MENA element in either diaspora nor back home South Italians/Sicilians.

    2 28.57%
  • There is a present MENA element in both diaspora and at home South Italians/Sicilians EQUALLY.

    1 14.29%
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Thread: Do Italian Americans have a stronger or weaker MENA element than South Italians/Sicilians back home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    The below actor is a recent greek immigrant to US, he was representing an ukrainian mobster.gives a different vibe than typical italian and greek americans.

    Looks like a northern mainlander. Definitely has a Slavic vibe though I think many mainlanders do, as genetics shows. He looks too Slavic for Italian Americans, and not similar to non-mainlander Greeks.

    My impression is Greeks can be divided into 3 main groups: people who look Balkan (even if more Med), people who look Sicilian/Calabrian (islanders mostly) with varying degrees of Near Eastern input, and then diaspora Greeks like Pontics/Anatolians who I think are overrepresented numerically in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    The below actor is a recent greek immigrant to US, he was representing an ukrainian mobster.gives a different vibe than typical italian and greek americans.
    also meant to ask. Did you vote incorrectly on the poll here? If the question is do full blooded Italian Americans show more, or less, Near Eastern element than expected for their South Italian origins, which is it? I can modify votes if you meant to pick the opposite, if not I can leave it as is.

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    Yeah change my vote to weaker, i misread the last part of the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Do you agree with me that Greek Americans do not look like average Greeks from Greece? I think the Slavic and Balkan elements in Greece is severely underrepresented in Greek Americans, who tend to look anywhere from South Italian (if islander) to Armenian (if Pontic). Those descended from Peloponnesian Greeks just look South European in a generalized sense, even Iberian like.
    The "Slavic" and "Northern-like" elements in Greece are severely over-represented on this shite forum. Vast majority of Greeks here are Northerners with a fetish to make Greeks look more like Germans vs what we really are. Pontic Greeks do not look Armenian at all. Just stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I guess so. One reason is they mostly originate from the poorer regions of the south and another they probably intermarry with American Jews.
    From what I know, Jewish American and Italian American intermarriage is surprisingly low. Of people I know of partial Italian-American origins,having another part that is Irish or German is much more common than Jews from what I have observed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    I guess so. One reason is they mostly originate from the poorer regions of the south and another they probably intermarry with American Jews.
    Italian-Americans don't intermarry with Jews any more than other whites do, from what I have seen. I don't know why people think otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    They are Southeast Europeans obviously, not MENAs. The MENA element though is known to be historical from Phoenicians, Carthaginians and to a lesser extent, the Arab/Berber conquest. No one is saying Sicilians should identify as/call themselves MENAs.
    It is not known to be from the Phoenicians and Arabs. You didn't answer the last time I challenged this claim. How can it be from these groups when it exists across Southern Italy and Phoenicians and Arabs did not settle in the mainland? There cannot have been enough impact from these historical events to affect all of Southern Italy and arguably the North, as well, to a minor degree. Even the Roman Empire would be a more satisfactory explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    It is not known to be from the Phoenicians and Arabs. You didn't answer the last time I challenged this claim. How can it be from these groups when it exists across Southern Italy and Phoenicians and Arabs did not settle in the mainland? There cannot have been enough impact from these historical events to affect all of Southern Italy and arguably the North, as well, to a minor degree. Even the Roman Empire would be a more satisfactory explanation.
    It could have arrived on the mainland either from inter-regional migration (Sicily --> Calabria --> the rest of the south) OR from Levantine migrants during the Roman era.

    But I do think at least in western Sicily, you have a very high chance of genuine Phoenician ancestry. Maybe not in other regions as it could be from multiple sources.

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    Italian-Americans are our diaspora’s greatest shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smaug View Post
    Italian-Americans are our diaspora’s greatest shame.
    Why?

    Also do you think Italian Americans, assuming no mixture with others, show a stronger or weaker MENA element than those in their homeland?

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