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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    My acceptance of conspiracy theories is dependent on the evidence.
    Well if you resort to labeling such games as conspiracy theories I have no time nor desire to convince you otherwise. Go listen to Yuri Bezmenov to see an example of how such decades long multi-step influence operations are being played by both sides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty
    US haven't provided any evidence to back their claim so far. Here we have clear case of pure conspiracy theories.

    The truth is Russia has offered US to cancel the deal for about decade now. But it has nothing to do with either side violating the treaty. It's all about China building up its own nuclear arsenal uncontrollably while Russia and US have their developments suppressed. That creates potential for disbalance since nobody really knows how far China got in their program, it's hidden even better than Russian one. There is one Russian ex-spy who was evicted from China claiming they had built up massive stockpile already making all current deals obsolete.

    So between Putin and Trump it's all covert game to lure third party out and get them involved into future deals. All the accusations are just an excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorns View Post
    Your speculative arguments aren't helped by the fact a diagram of such a weapon was leaked. Lol. You can't sit here and boast about such a capability over and over then expect nobody to have any clue where it came from in the event it is used.

    Besides, you're not going to destroy the entire US with a tsunami, so it's a pointless conversation. I suggest you redo your calculations (assuming you actually did them to begin with).
    What diagram? The concept is known since 1960's and doesn't present any kind of secret. Technically it's far easier than making a missile. An average physics lab technician have sufficient knowledge to build such device as long as he is aware of the general idea. The way I see it it's not widely known because it's not self evident a nuke could be powerful enough to generate a significant tsunami.

    But I didn't calculate the tsunami itself, nuclear scientists did few decades ago. I only did comparative analysis to see if declared effects could be achieved with available nukes. Seems like it's very much realistic claim. So far it's only a theory and its destructive power is yet to be confirmed. You can believe it or not. But for some reason I don't think you'd like anyone to test it for real to confirm or disprove it.

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    Statement by the President of Russia on the unilateral withdrawal of the United States from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles



    August 5, 2019 - 15:00



    On February 1, 2019, the United States of America launched a procedure to withdraw from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles. The six-month period set forth in the Treaty’s withdrawal clause has expired. When one of the parties withdraws from the Treaty, it ceases to have effect automatically. Therefore, as of August 2, 2019 the INF Treaty no longer exists. Our US colleagues sent it to the archives, making it a thing of the past.

    It is with regret that Russia states that the unilateral withdrawal by the United States from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles under a far-fetched pretext and the dismantlement of one of the last fundamental arms control treaties creates major complications for world affairs and brings about serious risks for everyone. Let me emphasise that all the responsibility for what has happened rests with the United States. Instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion on international security matters, the United States opted for simply undercutting many years of efforts to reduce the probability of a large-scale armed conflict, including the use of nuclear weapons.

    Russia cannot ignore the current state of affairs or satisfy itself with hollow peace-loving declarations made by its American colleagues or their allies.

    In this context, considering the current situation, I instruct the Defence Ministry, the Foreign Ministry and the Foreign Intelligence Service to monitor in the most thorough manner future steps taken by the United States to develop, produce and deploy intermediate-range and medium-range missiles.

    If Russia obtains reliable information whereby the United States completes the development of these systems and starts to produce them, Russia will have no option other than to engage in a full-scale effort to develop similar missiles. Of course, this will take time. Until the Russian army deploys these weapons, Russia will reliably offset the threats related to the withdrawal by the United States from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles by relying on the means that we already have: the X-101 and the Kinzhal air-launched missiles, the Kalibr sea-launched missile, as well as future weapons systems, including Tsirkon-class hypersonic systems. At the same time, Russia maintains the unilateral commitments it has assumed, and will act only when it has to respond. This applies to developing, producing and deploying land-based intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles. We will not deploy them in any given region until US-made intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles are deployed there.

    Despite the recent developments, Russia still hopes that common sense prevails, and that our US colleagues and their allies have a sense of responsibility toward their people and the entire international community. It is our belief that the actions taken by the United States that brought about the dismantlement of the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles will inevitably devalue and shatter the foundations of the global security architecture, including the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

    This scenario could signal a new start for an unfettered arms race. In order to avoid chaos with no rules, restrictions or laws, we need to once more weigh up all the dangerous consequences and launch a serious and meaningful dialogue free from any ambiguity.

    Russia considers that it is necessary to revive without delay meaningful talks on ensuring strategic stability and security. We are ready to engage in these efforts.

    Vladimir Putin



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    Meeting with permanent members of the Security Council

    Vladimir Putin held a briefing session with permanent members of the Security Council.

    August 23, 2019 - 12:30 - The Kremlin, Moscow

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    I say theworld is in need of a big war.

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    Easy to say when we live on US mainland that never sees war. The worst thing we might experience in a big war is higher fuel costs.
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    I say theworld is in need of a big war.

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