Proto-Scythian aDNA results + map (NEW)

[Token]

I decided to test some models on Iron Age nomads and i'm blaffed. Scythians from Samara and Sarmatians as far east as the Urals are as much steppe/Yamnaya as the Bronze Age Corded Ware culture, LOL.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No, almost all of them were R1b.

https://indo-european.eu/2018/10/ira...s-and-r1b-l23/

Iranian peoples (speakers) were obviously R1a-Z93. R1b is alient to Indo-Iranians.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Iranian peoples (speakers) were obviously R1a-Z93. R1b is alient to Indo-Iranians.

Are you trolling me dude ? All Schyntian samples were R1b and most of Sarmatians. Yamnanya was R1b, looks like R1a was just secondary PIE marker.
You have it black on white, I posted samples from latest research. No your beloved R1a among these sampled Schyntians.

Deal with facts.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Are you trolling me dude ? All Schyntian samples were R1b and most of Sarmatians. Yamnanya was R1b, looks like R1a was just secondary PIE marker.
You have it black on white, I posted samples from latest research. No your beloved R1a among these sampled Schyntians.

Deal with facts.

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belonged to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between the Bronze and the Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilisation. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations in eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[133] The ubiquity and dominance of the R1a Y-DNA lineage contrasted markedly with the diversity seen in the mtDNA profiles.

I have no interests for R1a Scythians, but that's how it is. Indo-Iranian primar marker was R1a, and that is the fact.

[Proto-Shaman]

I decided to test some models on Iron Age nomads and i'm blaffed. Scythians from Samara and Sarmatians as far east as the Urals are as much steppe/Yamnaya as the Bronze Age Corded Ware culture, LOL.

Yes, I was shocked when I run the samples today. Never thought of that much far east.

[Proto-Shaman]

Iranian peoples (speakers) were obviously R1a-Z93. R1b is alient to Indo-Iranians.

The only Iranian population popping up in Gedmatch calculations for R1a cultures are the Pamiri Tajik, they are racialy Turanid and culturally Turkic, very different from other Iranians.

[Proto-Shaman]

Bro, these are wstern Scythian groups. Scythians and Sakas from the central and eastern steppes are mostly R1a and many others are even Q1.

[Proto-Shaman]

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belonged to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between the Bronze and the Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilisation. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations in eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[133] The ubiquity and dominance of the R1a Y-DNA lineage contrasted markedly with the diversity seen in the mtDNA profiles.

I have no interests for R1a Scythians, but that's how it is. Indo-Iranian primar marker was R1a, and that is the fact.

No offense but, everytime you call R1a Indo-Iranian I have to break out laughing:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The only Iranian population popping up in Gedmatch calculations for R1a cultures are the Pamiri Tajik, they are racialy Turanid and culturally Turkic, very different from other Iranians.

You have R1a even among Persians...