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    Macedonian and Bulgarian historians agree to “share” Tsar Samoil, Clement and Naum of Ohrid

    The Joint Macedonian – Bulgarian commission of experts on history agreed that Tsar Samoil and the Ss Clement and Naum of Ohrid will be celebrated jointly by the two countries.

    Committee experts were debating for months over which historic figures should be considered as “shared” between Macedonia and Bulgaria, under the provisions of the treaty signed in 2017. The official Bulgarian position is that Macedonians are ethnically Bulgarians and speak a dialect of the Bulgarian language, and the treaty which was signed provides for changes in the Macedonian history books to reflect that. Bulgaria held the prospect of blocking Macedonia’s EU and NATO accession if this provision is not accepted, and the “ownership” of many other figures, including from the period of national liberation struggle like Goce Delcev, is being discussed.

    After lengthy discussions the Joint commission agreed to recommend to the two countries that there are plentiful elements that we jointly celebrate Ss Clement and Naum and Tsar Samoil, as a bridge toward building mutual friendly relations, in the spirit of the Treaty of friendship and good neighborly relations, the Macedonian Institute for national history informed on Thursday.

    The Bulgarian Parliament narrowly ratified Macedonia’s NATO membership protocol on Wednesday, but Macedonia will need Bulgaria to approve the opening of EU accession talks in a few months, and to then agree to the opening and closing of each individual accession chapter, which will likely be tied to the work of this commission.

    Tsar Samoil is a medieval king who ruled from Ohrid, in Macedonia, but styled himself king of Bulgarians, while the two saints built on the work initiated by Ss Cyril and Methodius, translated the Bible onto Old Church Slavonic and made Ohrid the center of learning.

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    LOL

    fake macedonians = a mix of Greeks and Bulgarians tryin to claim heroes from both sides

    Why dont simply let south fyrom join Greece and north join Bulgaria along with the albanian parts in Albania????

    Everyone would be happy and end this nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarknessWin View Post
    LOL

    fake macedonians = a mix of Greeks and Bulgarians tryin to claim heroes from both sides

    Why dont simply let south fyrom join Greece and north join Bulgaria along with the albanian parts in Albania????

    Everyone would be happy and end this nonsense
    What is Greek?

    Your own historians ascribe half of Greek history to Bulgarians calling them "True Moesians"

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...are-Bulgarians!

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    Dude, we have little to do with the ancient population of the Balkans. Recent genetic study proved that we are closer to the population which came from the Pontic steppe(aka proto-Bulgarians) in the 7th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulgar View Post
    Dude, we have little to do with the ancient population of the Balkans. Recent genetic study proved that we are closer to the population which came from the Pontic steppe(aka proto-Bulgarians) in the 7th century.
    Do you have a link?

    If the theory is correct and proto-Bulgars were of Iranic descent rather than Turkic, then this still doesn't connect proto-Bulgars genetically to modern Bulgarians.

    Here's a genetic comparison of Iranian and Bulgarian populations;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...lgarians#Y_DNA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples#Genetics

    Modern Bulgarian Y DNA is mostly E1b1 (Thracian native) and I2a (brought by Slavs), whereas Iranian peoples are mostly J2 and R1a, which are in minority in Bulgaria.

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    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulgar View Post
    Dude, we have little to do with the ancient population of the Balkans. Recent genetic study proved that we are closer to the population which came from the Pontic steppe(aka proto-Bulgarians) in the 7th century.
    Bulgars are part of the Turkic/Turkish/Mongol worlds, from Pre-Boris! Pre-Boris this East Asian Tribe believed in Tengri etc...Once Boris trashed his own tribe (the ruling Mongol Caste in Bulgaria) for Slavo-Serbian Culture then the TWO alien people finally merged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galerius View Post
    What is Greek?

    Your own historians ascribe half of Greek history to Bulgarians calling them "True Moesians"

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...are-Bulgarians!
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    Modern Bulgarian Y DNA is mostly E1b1 (Thracian native) and I2a (brought by Slavs), whereas Iranian peoples are mostly J2 and R1a, which are in minority in Bulgaria.

    I is the ONLY native haplogroup in Europe, every other ones have migrated. Haplogroup E has been in Europe for awhile. Haplogroup R or specifically R1a, is oldest in Balkans (Serbia).

    Haplogroup I is 2/3 of Bosnian Serbs and roughly 50% of males in Serbia, as I1 + I2. Tests conduction on remains in Balkans show Haplogroup I is older than every other haplogroup, so it never migrated to Balkans!

    Haplogroup J is associated with Semitic peoples, Greeks are predominately J, as are Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novi Pazar View Post
    Modern Bulgarian Y DNA is mostly E1b1 (Thracian native) and I2a (brought by Slavs), whereas Iranian peoples are mostly J2 and R1a, which are in minority in Bulgaria.

    I is the ONLY native haplogroup in Europe, every other ones have migrated. Haplogroup E has been in Europe for awhile. Haplogroup R or specifically R1a, is oldest in Balkans (Serbia).

    Haplogroup I is 2/3 of Bosnian Serbs and roughly 50% of males in Serbia, as I1 + I2. Tests conduction on remains in Balkans show Haplogroup I is older than every other haplogroup, so it never migrated to Balkans!

    Haplogroup J is associated with Semitic peoples, Greeks are predominately J, as are Turks.

    E1b is not "Thracian native", wtf are you smoking. Thracian/Hittite/Dorian-proto-Hellenic were Indo-european languages and their populations were associated to R. Also, Greeks are not predominately J, they are predominately R (R1a+R1b).

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