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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    E1b is not "Thracian native", wtf are you smoking. Thracian/Hittite/Dorian-proto-Hellenic were Indo-european languages and their populations were associated to R. Also, Greeks are not predominately J, they are predominately R (R1a+R1b).
    The Iron Age Thracian sample "P192-1" from the paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3824117/, was found to belong to haplogrou[p E1b!
    So Thracians did have E1b and were not only R1!
    So far, only R1b, E1b, T and perhaps K if I remember correctly were found among Thracians, no R1a but the one which is R1a-Z93, however this one was a bronze age sample while the Thracians were Iron Age folks!


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    And the Bulgarians have a lot of Thracian blood, actually they are more Thracian than Slavic genetically, no matter that some people like Bulgar have complexes and want to be associated only with the proto-Bulgars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    E1b is not "Thracian native", wtf are you smoking. Thracian/Hittite/Dorian-proto-Hellenic were Indo-european languages and their populations were associated to R. Also, Greeks are not predominately J, they are predominately R (R1a+R1b).
    They are not. R haplogroups are low in Greece. R1b is 15,5%, R1a 11,5%. E+ J is much more. J2 itself is 23 %, E1b 21%. J1 3%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanas Django View Post
    Hi Bosniensis
    I am not Bosniensis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galerius View Post
    I am not Bosniensis
    was erwartet man von einem Lügner?

    Ja, richtig, Lügen.
    Ne mutlu Kıbrıslıyım diyene

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    Thanas Django is wicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanas Django View Post
    was erwartet man von einem Lügner?

    Ja, richtig, Lügen.
    What to expect from Turko-Arab who claims that he is a Greek?

    Lies of course.

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    Good. Agree to share wives now, brate .

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    Galerius, you sound a bit muslim but I'll turn a blind eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Do you have a link?

    If the theory is correct and proto-Bulgars were of Iranic descent rather than Turkic, then this still doesn't connect proto-Bulgars genetically to modern Bulgarians.

    Here's a genetic comparison of Iranian and Bulgarian populations;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...lgarians#Y_DNA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples#Genetics

    Modern Bulgarian Y DNA is mostly E1b1 (Thracian native) and I2a (brought by Slavs), whereas Iranian peoples are mostly J2 and R1a, which are in minority in Bulgaria.
    Ако погледнем генетичната карта, ще видим, че траките са по-отдалечени от съвременните българи и от прабългарите, докато прабългарите и съвременните българи са много по-близо разположени – казва Десислава Нешева, генетик-специалист в Катедрата по медицинска генетика на МУ. – Това се обяснява с голямата времева разлика при изследваните проби – траките са обитавали хилядолетието пр.Хр. и в новата ера данните за тях стават все по-оскъдни. Но все пак се вижда, че те са близки до съвременните българи и до прабългарите, а интересното е, че от гърците са по-отдалечени.

    Установихме, че нямаме генетична връзка с тюркските и с алтайските популации. Нямаме генетична връзка и със съвременните турци, макар да се е смятало, че заради турското робство е имало смесване на генетичния материал. Дори прабългарите нямат генетична връзка с турците, както и с тюркско-алтайските популации. За съжаление, не успяхме да изследваме древни славяни, защото нямахме достъп до техен генетичен материал (прилагали са трупоизгаряне). Сравнявайки обаче съвременните славяни в световен мащаб, се вижда, че не сме близки с тях.
    The study was made by serious institutions and not some guys on the forums who link a certain haplogroup to a certain ancient population.

    В мащабното проследяване на произхода на българите участват Катедрата по медицинска генетика на Медицинския университет в София, Институтът по микробиология, Институтът по антропология, Националният археологически институт с музей при БАН и Флорентинският университет, чиято лаборатория изследва генетичния материал.
    Things in the region were pretty mixed even before the proto-Bulgarians arrived. And the proto-Bulgarians weren't of a single haplogroup themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulgar View Post
    The study was made by serious institutions and not some guys on the forums who link a certain haplogroup to a certain ancient population.



    Things in the region were pretty mixed even before the proto-Bulgarians arrived. And the proto-Bulgarians weren't of a single haplogroup themselves...

    Yes here’s your study in English;

    http://bnr.bg/en/post/100729084/pres...s-not-of-slavs

    Seems quite political instead of scientific

    Unfortunately, we could not explore ancient Slavs, because we had no access to genetic material from them
    How convenient....

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