Haplogroup L: The mysterious haplogroup

**Leto** · 02-02-2024, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hara Pala

L-FGC51074 (SK1414). L1b2c etc.

Originally Posted by Hara Pala

Or I should perhaps say L-FGC51040, TMRCA 6,100 ybp. I'm one of the English testers, but grouped with testers from Lebanon, Goa, Gujarat, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. My line in at least two English surname families and probably been around here for at least several centuries. Although no, I don't think its a Neo entry to Europe. Most likely earlier medieval, or possibly Roman.

Are you 100% British/Northwestern European autosomally? I remember an Englishman with R1a-Z93 (Asian branch) but L is even more exotic.

**Hara Pala** · 02-02-2024, 07:38 PM

I've taken plenty of autosomal DNA tests and to be honest, I've lost faith with them, but none suggest anything Asian or non-European. Ancestry come closest by giving me 79% England & NW Europe' and correctly puts me in East of England, East Anglia, and Norfolk genetic communities. I've spent more than three decades on a genealogy which is pretty well supported now by matching. Based on that I am 97% English and 3% Swiss at Gen 6, mainly East Anglian. Seven out of eight great grandparents were East Anglian and local.

But its a lesson that haplogroups have nothing to do with ethnicity or identity. Just one very narrow line of descent over a long time frame.

**Hara Pala** · 02-02-2024, 10:01 PM

I've just surveyed the Y - trees. Lots of the more recent variants are too rare and all over the shot. Too difficult to make any sense of them except to say, lots of individual stories of people moving around Asia and Europe. But if I step back 11,500 years ago to the formation of variant L-SK1414 / L-FGC51074 (TMRCA 9,000 ybp) then I get this bizarre distribution. Remember though, its 9,000 years since common ancestors, and it has since branched off with lots of more recent variants. But of those that we know of, I find them in:

India (Gujarat
India (Goa)
India Parsi
Pakistan (Makran)
Pakistan
Turkmenistan
Tajikistan
Iran 2
Iraq 2
Saudi Arabia 6
UAE
Qatar
Kuwait
Syria 4
Lebanon Druze
Sudan
Turkey 4
Turkey Kurd 3
Cyprus
Azerbaijan
Armenia 4
Russia Tartar 3
Russia other 2
Spain
England 3
France
German
Italy 4
Poland
Portugal 2
Austria 2

So over the past 9000 years or so, that is where we know that that particular variant has gone to. Bloody rare, but when I started this game there were only 3 or 4 of us tested. Where did it originate? All that I dare to suggest is Asia - SW, S, or central. By the way, that variant defines YDNA L1b2c in old nomenclature.