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    Quote Originally Posted by Livin View Post
    Very frenquent among Pontic Greeks,Laz and other black sea people of anatolia.
    Not really. There are only 3 Pontic Greek samples from Trabzon. Most L is found in Afshar Turks and Kartvelian Laz.

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...7354277395&z=4


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Not really. There are only 3 Pontic Greek samples from Trabzon. Most L is found in Afshar Turks and Kartvelian Laz.

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...7354277395&z=4

    You are right.My fault!

    It is frenquent among Eastern Trabzon people and to Laz.

    Check here if you are not bored.

    https://easternblackseadna.blogspot....ilarities.html


    As you can see people in eastern black sea


    Its also frenquent among Hemshins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livin View Post
    Very frenquent among Pontic Greeks,Laz and other black sea people of anatolia.
    Ancient Colchis haplogroup confirmed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
    Very few people here belong to haplogroup L. It's very wonderful and somewhat rare in the world. Haplogroup L seems to be diffused mostly around Mountainous or arable lands which may suggest a Neolithic explanation of this haplogroup.

    Place of Origin: Western Asia

    Phylogeny:
    There are different clades of L. L1a, L1b, L1c and L2.

    L1a & L1c are mostly confined to Southwestern Asia i.e Indus Valley and Iran. However it was also reported in Germany and Belgium. Likely originated in the Iranian plateau.

    L1b is present in the Levant, Anatolia, Caucasus and Europe, it's also present in the Volga region of Russia. Likely originated in the Levant.

    L2 (L-L595) is confined to Europe and appears all over Europe from Ireland to Estonia. Likely originated in Anatolia or the Balkans.

    If we take a look at the phylogeny of L, and at the age of it's subclades we can see they date somewhere around 12,000-5000 BC, that's when the Neolithic revolution was taking place. So it's likely a Neolithic lineage in Europe, the Caucasus and it might have been the lineage responsible for the construction of the Harappan civilization as well as the rise of the Elamites. We also might speculate this lineage is responsible for Iran_N admixture in modern-day Middle Easterners and Europeans.
    L Haplogroup higher presence in Central Asia & also antiquity of finds in Pannonia & Caucasus points to later import into Indus Valley & South India where it is the most in numbers. The earlier agricultural haplogroups like H1 & R2 were already present before L1 people mixed into these communities.
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    5.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o:I15940 1.4 ITA_Daunian
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    3.6 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA:VK464

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    Ancient Colchis haplogroup confirmed!
    yep, they even made it to north Pakistan mountains and even Alps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dosas View Post
    Ancient Colchis haplogroup confirmed!
    Yes,and i think some trabzonians with this haplo might be of Laz roots.Lets not forget that some Laz people become christians and assilimated into the rest of Pontic Greek group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimatter View Post
    Very few people here belong to haplogroup L. It's very wonderful and somewhat rare in the world. Haplogroup L seems to be diffused mostly around Mountainous or arable lands which may suggest a Neolithic explanation of this haplogroup.

    Place of Origin: Western Asia

    Phylogeny:
    There are different clades of L. L1a, L1b, L1c and L2.

    L1a & L1c are mostly confined to Southwestern Asia i.e Indus Valley and Iran. However it was also reported in Germany and Belgium. Likely originated in the Iranian plateau.

    L1b is present in the Levant, Anatolia, Caucasus and Europe, it's also present in the Volga region of Russia. Likely originated in the Levant.

    L2 (L-L595) is confined to Europe and appears all over Europe from Ireland to Estonia. Likely originated in Anatolia or the Balkans.

    If we take a look at the phylogeny of L, and at the age of it's subclades we can see they date somewhere around 12,000-5000 BC, that's when the Neolithic revolution was taking place. So it's likely a Neolithic lineage in Europe, the Caucasus and it might have been the lineage responsible for the construction of the Harappan civilization as well as the rise of the Elamites. We also might speculate this lineage is responsible for Iran_N admixture in modern-day Middle Easterners and Europeans.
    Uh l1c and l1b is sub saharan
    Edit oh, this is y dna. I nearly had a heart attack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livin View Post
    Yes,and i think some trabzonians with this haplo might be of Laz roots.Lets not forget that some Laz people become christians and assilimated into the rest of Pontic Greek group.
    Pontic Cluster, PH8+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin View Post
    Uh l1c and l1b is sub saharan
    Not Martian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan View Post
    Not Martian?
    No i thought it was about mdtna. I didnt even know there was l1c ydna and l1b ydna.

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