Haplogroup L: The mysterious haplogroup

[digital_noise]

My father in law is L. I dont remember what subclade exactly, will run his raw data through one of the Y predictors later. He's from Iran.

Edit** i found it, he's L-M22 according to 23 and Me

[Proto-Shaman]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post495804

Could it be that the Huns are the descendants of the root of the Kura Araxes culture(linked with Ubaid and Sumerian cultures), which is associated with the Areni-1 findings?
Could it be that the origin of Y-haplogroup L and T are in the oldest Kura Araxes culture people, and that the Huns are descendants of these oldest Kura Araxes culture people? These Kura Araxes culture people spoke a Proto Turk language, and tribes associated with them are described in the Sumerian tablets like "Turukku"(Turukkaeans) and "Subar", their basis was in the Urmia River region.

Please have a look at the paper of study "Areni-1 Cave, Armenia: A Chalcolithic–Early Bronze Age settlement and ritual site in the southern Caucasus", "Keith Wilkinson":

"The 14C date on the charcoal from the clay ball associated with Burial 1 suggests that the ritual during which the skulls were plastered into the vessels took place around 3970–3800 CAL B.C. (TABLE 1)."

"The results of excavations undertaken at Areni-1 Cave extend the date for the first appearance of Kura-Araxes-type artifact assemblages to 4100–3800 CAL B.C., several hundred years before the previously accepted earliest date (Kushnareva 1997: 49; Kiguradze and Sagona 2003: 38–94; Kohl 2007: 86–104). "
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https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post495858

And the majority of the Turks/Huns(and the Turk language) belonged to the Western Eurasian skull type. Another note is the fact that the oldest kurgans are found in the Kura Araxes culture (Urmia region), this burial type is associated with the medieval Huns, which means that the ancestors of the Huns should have came from the Urmia region. As far as we know the Sumerian language is an agglutinative language which is equal to Altaic/Dravidian/Uralic type of languages. The Sumerian language is a non-Indo-European(non-Aryan) and non-Semitic language. The Sumerians are the descendants of the Ubaid culture people, and several archaeological studies have proven that the Ubaid culture people are the same as the Kura Araxes culture people. The Sumerian tribe names like "Turukku"(Turukkaeans) and "Subar" indicate that the language of Kura Araxes - Sumerian people is a Proto Turk language.

[Proto-Shaman]

Just for comparison:


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Kalasha + Wakhi + Khowar + Burusho (North Pakistan): L1a


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Kyrgyz + Wakhi + Chitrali (Afgh./Pak./Taj.): L1a


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Brahui + Hazara + Dehwari + Quetta + Yaghri + Baluchi (Central Pakistan): L1a


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Afshar master race (North Iran): L1b


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Laz + Qarapapaq (East Anatolia): L1b


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Afshar master race (Khorasan, East Iran): L1b


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Afshar master race (South Iran): L1b

[Antimatter]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post495804


https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post495858

Sumerian is a language isolate, and Sumerian people are West Asians related to modern-day Iraqis and Syrians. L1b likely was born in Mesopotamia/Syria rather than Anatolia.

[Livin]

Summerrians were j1 lineagers. No way L.

This Specific haplo arrived probably with Persians or other Iranian tribes in Black Sea Area. They May assilimated in the kingdom of Pontus.

[Proto-Shaman]

Summerrians were j1 lineagers. No way L.

This Specific haplo arrived probably with Persians or other Iranian tribes in Black Sea Area. They May assilimated in the kingdom of Pontus.

Sumerians could also have been R1b or R1a or Q1b. Keep in mind Marsh Arabs have a lot of Q.

[Dorian]

Genetic analysis of Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) by Firasat et al. (2007) on Kalash individuals found high and diverse frequencies of these Y-DNA Haplogroups: L3a (22.7%), H1* (20.5%), R1a (18.2%), G (18.2%), J2 (9.1%), R* (6.8%), R1* (2.3%), and L* (2.3%).[47]

[Livin]

Sumerians could also have been R1b or R1a or Q1b. Keep in mind Marsh Arabs have a lot of Q.

Are we sure that modern marsh arabs are ancestors of summerians?Because maybe some Assyrians might have ancestry from them.

IMO Summerians acclimated into the akkadian and later assyrian population.They mixed with other semitic tribes.

[Abdelnour]

I too am of the L Male haplogroup.

[Jaromir]

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