Cheddar Man, Mesolithic Britain

[Imperator Biff]

Are you able to confirm that these are on Cheddar Man's DNA raw data? Interestingly the natural history museum has a download listing his pigmentation data but seems to have omitted what I have quoted.

The BAM file should be available here.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=PRJEB31249

[loschbour_man]

The BAM file should be available here.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=PRJEB31249

which one of these to download?

[mattp]

The BAM file should be available here.
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/search?query=PRJEB31249

Thank you, will have a look

[mattp]

I would suggest that surely the reconstruction given (just like the recent Swedish HG) is an absurd exaggeration, even their own prediction model (hirisplex) seems to suggest a different possibility looking at Cheddar man's score. Perhaps no.11 on the studies comparison chart would be more likely surely?cheddarmanprediction.png skinsamplehirisplex.png

[ninjaboy]

It was being promoted on purpose. The media said 'the first Briton was black'. Normally 'black' means Sub-Saharan African and most people know nothing about things like WHG, Neolithic farmers, Yamnaya, etc. So he would supposedly have been black as modern Africans. See the new documentary on Swedish TV, 'Meet the first Swedes' featuring a black man with blue eyes in a fur coat - they're doing the same thing again.

Dude Swedish people are messed up, brainwashed, self-loathing, liberal fools beyond repair. Liberal madness is spreading like an epidemic disease all over the Western world, though.
However, black African refugees took this fake PC documentary as ammunition for claiming that they are the original Scandinavianians. Hence entitled to live in Sweden, their motherland.
Fact is that the Cheddar man looked Caucasiod and is genetically as far removed from SSA people as it can get. Casting a black African with blue contact lenses to play a WHG
illustrates that even documentaries are used for brainwashing the Western public with PC and diversity propaganda instead of informing them. At least they could
cast a Pakistani or a Northern Indian with blue eyes for portraying a WHG. These folks would resemble much more the Cheddar man than a black African. It would be even more accurate to let a European with a heavy tan play a WHG. The fetishization and worship of black people in Western countries, the media, academia, pop-culture, and advertisement are getting really ridiculous now. It's intellectually dishonest when people pretend that skin color is the only difference between the races despite the distinct racial traits, physiognomy, bone structure, body shape, etc. Besides the very dark to the black skin of Africans or Australo-Melanesians is not solely caused by the lack of depigmentation genes since they have a MC1Rf gene that is associated with very dark till black skin.

[Adamg]

Dude Swedish people are messed up, brainwashed, self-loathing, liberal fools beyond repair. Liberal madness is spreading like an epidemic disease all over the Western world, though.
However, black African refugees took this fake PC documentary as ammunition for claiming that they are the original Scandinavianians. Hence entitled to live in Sweden, their motherland.
Fact is that the Cheddar man looked Caucasiod and is genetically as far removed from SSA people as it can get. Casting a black African with blue contact lenses to play a WHG
illustrates that even documentaries are used for brainwashing the Western public with PC and diversity propaganda instead of informing them. At least they could
cast a Pakistani or a Northern Indian with blue eyes for portraying a WHG. These folks would resemble much more the Cheddar man than a black African. It would be even more accurate to let a European with a heavy tan play a WHG. The fetishization and worship of black people in Western countries, the media, academia, pop-culture, and advertisement are getting really ridiculous now. It's intellectually dishonest when people pretend that skin color is the only difference between the races despite the distinct racial traits, physiognomy, bone structure, body shape, etc. Besides the very dark to the black skin of Africans or Australo-Melanesians is not solely caused by the lack of depigmentation genes since they have a MC1Rf gene that is associated with very dark till black skin.

Blacks were original WHG.

[Cumansky]

So he was dark skinned and blonde at the same time if i understood right? Strange isn't it?

No

[mattp]

I know this is old now but anyway...

Cheddar man along with La Brana were predicted 'Dark to Black', but is this just down to a glitch with hirisplex?

CM had derived alleles on the HERC2 snps (No 31 & 32 on hirisplex), as highlighted on this screenshot:



But when you give him ANCESTRAL alleles on these two snps (fixed in Africans almost), he is is somehow predicted more in the INTERMEDIATE category:



Loschbour had the same derived variants as CM and La Brana but the calculator seems to be working in his prediction and he was predicted as 'intermediate'. I'd be willing to bet that without this apparent glitch on hirisplex that this is what CM and La Brana should be estimated to be also.

[Lucas]

I know this is old now but anyway...

Cheddar man along with La Brana were predicted 'Dark to Black', but is this just down to a glitch with hirisplex?

CM had derived alleles on the HERC2 snps (No 31 & 32 on hirisplex), as highlighted on this screenshot:



But when you give him ANCESTRAL alleles on these two snps (fixed in Africans almost), he is is somehow predicted more in the INTERMEDIATE category:



Loschbour had the same derived variants as CM and La Brana but the calculator seems to be working in his prediction and he was predicted as 'intermediate'. I'd be willing to bet that without this apparent glitch on hirisplex that this is what CM and La Brana should be estimated to be also.

I remember it was pointed out on another forum too.
But academics are affraid to correct it because of PC.

[Creoda]

I remember it was pointed out on another forum too.
But academics are affraid to correct it because of PC.

Now they'll pretend like it doesn't matter. They got the publicity they wanted with the black reconstruction and that's all that matters.