Prespa agreement - Who won?

[Aspar]

An interesting point of view, but:
Both sides want a Macedonia-Monopoly.

I think that this agreement will be good for both sides on long distance.
The Prespa agreement is clear, ancient Macedonian history was Hellenic and as such it is accepted from both sides.
On other side we got a name that has "Macedonia" in it but still it makes it clear that there is Greek Macedonia and our Macedonia.
And of course our ethnicity as ethnic Macedonians that should not be confused with the ancient Macedonians that were essentially Hellenes.

[Bosniensis]

That's little bit pathetic way to describe things.

Medium Sized nations like Turkey, Germany and France are controlled by Super Powers through BARGAIN ( I give you this you will do this) but still Super Powers control them.
Small Sized nations like Serbia, Bosnia etc.. are controlled by Super Powers DIRECTLY through Ambassadors who give orders Elected officials and threaten them with various punishments.

So no we can't do the same, cause we are Puppet States.

Russia, India, China are only exception, but they are basically in state of War with NATO as of today thought proxy nations.

Even if that's humiliating, at least we have peace. If we were independent, entire Balkan would be at war.

[Alexandros]

Medium Sized nations like Turkey, Germany and France are controlled by Super Powers through BARGAIN ( I give you this you will do this) but still Super Powers control them.
Small Sized nations like Serbia, Bosnia etc.. are controlled by Super Powers DIRECTLY through Ambassadors who give orders Elected officials and threaten them with various punishments.

Russia, India, China are only exception, but they are basically in state of War with NATO as of today thought proxy nations.

Even if that's humiliating, at least we have peace. If we were independent, entire Balkan would be at war.

You are 100% right but oftopic.





Alexandros

[Bosniensis]

You are 100% right but oftopic.





Alexandros

It is indirectly connected to Prespa Agreement because that agreement was mediated by foreign powers influence I explained in that post.

[KingOf]

I think that this agreement will be good for both sides on long distance.
The Prespa agreement is clear, ancient Macedonian history was Hellenic and as such it is accepted from both sides.
On other side we got a name that has "Macedonia" in it but still it makes it clear that there is Greek Macedonia and our Macedonia.
And of course our ethnicity as ethnic Macedonians that should not be confused with the ancient Macedonians that were essentially Hellenes.

this is the issue my friend... you are ethnic Northmacedonians at best according to the agreement.
what are the natives of Greek Makedonia then?
Ancient Makedonia is Hellenic but current North Greek population sure isn't Ancient

[Aspar]

Why is a muslim clown with an identity crisis bothered about this.
He is neither a citizen of any of the countries who signed the agreement nor an ethnic Macedonian or Greek.

[Albobalboa]

No major loser in this deal. But the winner is North Macedonia. They still get to officially go by just Macedonian according to the agreement, and have settled a massive geopolitical issue for them which blocked them from significant development towards the west.

The only thing Greeks "won" out of this is that it's called North Macedonia now, but that barely makes a difference since "Macedonia" is still in the name, and they just kind of got a boost in their idea of their homeland being divided.

[Albobalboa]

this is the issue my friend... you are ethnic Northmacedonians at best according to the agreement.
what are the natives of Greek Makedonia then?
Ancient Makedonia is Hellenic but current North Greek population sure isn't Ancient

Wrong.

https://greece.greekreporter.com/201...ational-media/

"The country’s foreign ministry says that the official language is the Macedonian language and the country codes are MK and MKD, as they were before. The adjective Macedonian is to be used when relating to “ethnic and cultural identity of the people, our language, history, culture, heritage, territory and other attributes.”

[KingOf]

Wrong.

https://greece.greekreporter.com/201...ational-media/

"The country’s foreign ministry says that the official language is the Macedonian language and the country codes are MK and MKD, as they were before. The adjective Macedonian is to be used when relating to “ethnic and cultural identity of the people, our language, history, culture, heritage, territory and other attributes.”

my bad... and people say Greece didn't lose shit
a Greek citizen will never accept a term like ethnic Makedonian that is clear as day no matter what politicians agree to.

[Aspar]

this is the issue my friend... you are ethnic Northmacedonians at best according to the agreement.
what are the natives of Greek Makedonia then?
Ancient Makedonia is Hellenic but current North Greek population sure isn't Ancient

My friend, I think it is clear by the agreement that we are Macedonians from North Macedonia who are not Greek by descent while those in Greece are Macedonians from Greek Macedonia, full Greeks and claimers of the ancient Macedonian history.
I don't know what's so unaccceptable in this agreement for some Greeks.
By the way, your own PM said it clearly when he mentioned Mirka Ginova or Irini Gini, when he addressed the Greek communist party bc it didn't want to accept the agreement.
Basically what Tsipras did is that he opened a door for the pro-Greek influence in my country.
The Greek influence will return and will be big in both investments and secret service.
This will be beneficial for Greece having an ally and also preventing big Albania right on its door.