History of Nordicism?

[Dorian]

What do you mean ?

I also got confused.
You said Britons as a Celtic tribe were similar to Germanics and later that real real Celts were something different,
I guess you removed the bell beaker component?

And that is similar to saying real Illyrians or Greeks were Steppish and the rest were just Illyrianized-Hellenized Pelasgians while without the mixing of these two components Illyrians-Greeks(+Thracians)etc wouldn't exist.
I mean there's no reason to breaking it apart.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I also got confused.
You said Britons as a Celtic tribe were similar to Germanics and later that real real Celts were something different,
I guess you removed the bell beaker component?

You got me wrong. I said native Britons were just culturally Celtic, not much genetically. They were Bell Beakers by blood.

And that is similar to saying real Illyrians or Greeks were Steppish and the rest were just Illyrianized-Hellenized Pelasgians while without the mixing of these two components Illyrians-Greeks(+Thracians)etc wouldn't exist.
I mean there's no reason to breaking it apart.

We got actual Illyrian sample and it cluster with NW Italians, Greeks were south Italian like so I guess they were never very steppe from the beginning.

[Dorian]

We got actual Illyrian sample and it cluster with NW Italians, Greeks were south Italian like so I guess they were never very steppe from the beginning.

Out of topic and I'm unaware of their dates but I think it's not like we have the samples of the 1st-2nd etc generation of the IE language carriers(whatever they were)?to be able to say that?

[Dorian]

+And of course they wouldn't be pure steppish or something,whatever path they crossed ,they'd have absorbed other elements.

[Creoda]

But you did say that the "Welsh are not Celtic racially" and "are closer genetically to North Germanics". I suppose you must mean British Islanders were somewhat close to North Europeans since before Germanic languages even existed (Doggerland?)

My point is that the Welsh are deeply NW European people, descended overwhelmingly from the same Bronze Age racial base as all other NW Europeans, that's why they are genetically so close to North Germanics. Whether they are culturally Celtic or Germanic is irrelevant to the discussion.

[Dorian]

My point is that the Welsh are deeply NW European people, descended overwhelmingly from the same Bronze Age racial base as all other NW Europeans, that's why they are genetically so close to North Germanics. Whether they are culturally Celtic or Germanic is irrelevant to the discussion.

Irrelevant to the topic but relevant when kiskocos used a welsh person as an example of germanic superiority and innovation,just because they are genetically similar it doesn't mean that germanicists will bear their fruits,anyone can do this and call others "jewish" "hellenic" "roman" and do the same,it's absurd.

[AmazingHazén]

My point is that the Welsh are deeply NW European people, descended overwhelmingly from the same Bronze Age racial base as all other NW Europeans, that's why they are genetically so close to North Germanics. Whether they are culturally Celtic or Germanic is irrelevant to the discussion.

Don't you think it's strange that the Welsh and even people in the West Country of England (due to them being supposedly more 'Celtic' than people in eastern England) are stereotyped as being more swarthy than the average English person? I've never seen any evidence of them being swarthier than any other Britons but this idea seems pretty widespread regardless. Is this just another attempt by the English to portray themselves as 'racially purer' and 'whiter' than the Welsh?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Out of topic and I'm unaware of their dates but I think it's not like we have the samples of the 1st-2nd etc generation of the IE language carriers(whatever they were)?to be able to say that?

I guess you are right.

[IncelSlayer]

You got me wrong. I said native Britons were just culturally Celtic, not much genetically. They were Bell Beakers by blood.



We got actual Illyrian sample and it cluster with NW Italians, Greeks were south Italian like so I guess they were never very steppe from the beginning.

That sample from BA Dalmatia ain't illyrian, illyrians were Iron Age people...

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

That sample from BA Dalmatia ain't illyrian, illyrians were Iron Age people...

What is it than ?