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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    But this component was certainly lacking here (although public attitudes would have been no different) Maybe it had something to do with our own colonial adventures that the Dutch, at the time, came up with the so-called Ethical Policy.
    Yes and the dutch colonism was also significant:


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    Austro-Hungarian colonies were in Arctic Sea (Franz Josef Land), in North Borneo, and China (Tianjin). As i know if Central Powers had won WW1, Tunisia would have been A-H colony too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos View Post
    Yes and the dutch colonism was also significant:

    Not by then. We had far less:

    We only controlled Suriname, the Antilles and parts of Indonesia. Much of it wasn't "pacified" until 1914.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos View Post
    Hitler was Alpinid.
    Nope, he was Atlanto-Brunn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    Nope, he was Atlanto-Brunn.
    Not in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos View Post
    Not in my opinion
    You must look at pics in his prime, not in old age. First of all he was very long faced so he can't be alpine at all.

    young Adolf Hitler


    also his skull was long and rounded, not brachy at all


    Only thing that doesn't fit fully Atlantid classification is his nose, which was somewhat wide and that point to CM admixture. Also dude was somewhat robust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    It probably started when one subhuman inferior-complex german peasant alpine couldn't stand his reflection on the mirror and he started looking around for "better" examples(in his disordered mind) so he figured "Hmm ,I may not look like them but we wuz born in the same geographical area,we relate,let me measure their skullz..what great long head unlike mine,we wuz superiorz!" and then his ideas started spreading slowly like virus to other disordered people like him even to this day.



    hitler was from austria..... this k36 is a guy with all 4 grandparents from north Germany

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellbeaking View Post

    hitler was from austria..... this k36 is a guy with all 4 grandparents from north Germany
    Read my reply to Nato

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    You must look at pics in his prime, not in old age. First of all he was very long faced so he can't be alpine at all.

    young Adolf Hitler


    also his skull was long and rounded, not brachy at all


    Only thing that doesn't fit fully Atlantid classification is his nose, which was somewhat wide and that point to CM admixture. Also dude was somewhat robust.
    Brunns have long and broad noses and i said atlantid because of his eye region mainly

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    Lots of interesting stuff on how Aryanism and Nordicism came to be conflated in the work I linked to earlier. This is what spawned anthrotardism, folks:

    "Meanwhile had arisen a growing school of advocates of the European origin of the Indo-Europeans. In 1848 J. J. d' Omalius d'Halloy before the Belgian Academy made the first protest against the assumed Asiatic origin and contended that the conquerors of Persia and India came originally from Europe. He had made similar suggestions in brief notes to the Academy, 1839-1844, and must be given credit for first calling attention to the anthropological, as against the philological, aspects of the matter. Bulwer Lytton in 1842 opposed the Asiatic theory, and this view was given full elaboration by the Englishman, R. T. Latham, in 1851 and 1854 and especially in his "Elements of Comparative Philology," 1862. He based his argument for the European origin on the similarities of Sanskrit and Letto-Slav. The Frenchman, Adolphe Pictet, in one of the most notable contributions, 1859-63, placed the homeland in Bactria which he pictured as a primitive paradise, his idyllic phrases setting the pattern for many imitators for a generation, notably for the German Hehn, 1870. A. Schleicher in 1853 and 1861 outlined the genealogical tree of the Aryan tongues on the principle that those most remote from the center of origin must have separated first.

    Sanskrit being taken as the nearest to the mother-tongue, the most remote were found to be German, Lithuanian and Slav, while the Celtic, Latin and Greek tongues were of later differentiation. After a vast amount of dispute it began to be generally admitted about 1890 that there was no criterion for determining the remoteness of different tongues from the hypothetical original one and hence no basis for a genealogical arrangement. d'Halloy extended the case for the European origin in 1864 before the Société d'Anthropologie de Paris by contending that there was no proof of the Asiatic origin of Europeans, that inflected languages were more widely disseminated in Europe than in Asia, and that the peoples speaking Celtic tongues, the Low Bretons, the Irish, the Gauls, and the Highland Scots were descended from autochthonous Europeans. Benfey in 1868 argued in a similar vein and placed the cradle-land north of the Black Sea between the mouth of the Danube and the Caspian Sea.

    Two years later Louis Geiger with commendable national pride placed the area of origin south of the Baltic in central and western Germany. About the same time Friedrich Spiegel agreed with Benfey that southeastern Europe was the original center and that dispersion had taken place both eastward and westward from there. In 1871 J. G. Cuno, another German, argued that the development of the Aryan mother-tongue to a high state of grammatical finish would require some thousands of years and a large area in which various groups of the original Aryans could wander about in more or less contact with each other and yet be relatively isolated from the rest of mankind. He found such a zone in the vast plain stretching from the North Sea through northern France and southern Germany across Russia to the Ural Mountains. He held that the Germans, Celts, Slavs, and Lithuanians were all autochthonous. Mme. Clemence Royer in 1872 summarized the arguments for the European origin and added that the blond is definitely European, that European children are decidedly blond in infancy, even though they may become more or less brunet with age. From this it was argued that the basic racial elements in Europe were blond. In 1872 and 1873 Friedrich Miiller expressed the view that the original homeland was Armenia but that very early the Aryans had moved into southeastern Europe. Although the central Asiatic hypothesis was almost universally accepted as late as 1870 and was strongly reasserted by Virchow in, 1894 it rapidly lost favor after 1880.

    By 1879 under the leadership of French scholars the anthropological aspects were beginning to come into prominence. Henry Martin pointed out the division among Aryans between blond and brunet. Topinard proposed to place the origin of the "blond races" somewhere in Europe and anterior to the introduction of Aryan tongues. At the same time another Frenchman, C. A. Pietrement, finding German views at least unconvincing, suggested southwestern Siberia as the Aryan cradle. In 1878 Theodore Poesche argued that, while there are many Aryan languages, there is only one race that can truly claim to be Aryan in blood as well as speech, namely, the tall, fair-skinned, blue-eyed, bearded and long-headed Teutons; he asserted that the center of origin was in the Rokitno swamps of west Russia where albinism was even then frequently found. Moreover, he contended that the Lithuanian tongue was closer to the Indo-European mother-tongue than Sanskrit itself. Carl Penka, in 1883 and 1886, strengthened and added to Poesche's general position. He showed that Aryan-speaking peoples are of several anthropological types, whereas the original Aryans must all have been of one type. He placed the origin in Scandinavia on the ground that the purest tall blonds with long heads are found more frequently there than anywhere else.

    Virchow on the other hand repeatedly opposed the idea of a uniform race type for the original Aryans, while he and Broca agreed that the round-headed or brachycephalic skull was superior to the long-head. The Asiatic origin was in the 8o's defended by Ujfalvy, who made a special trip to Asia to study the tribes to the north and south of the Hindu Kush, by van den Gheyn and by Max Miiller. Penke's doctrines were popularized in England in G. H. Rendall's The Cradle of the Aryans, 1889; but oddly enough they did not win the assent of the Scandinavian anthropologists, Montelius and Sophus Miiller. Salomon Reinach in France characterized them as pure romance in 1887 but two years later they were espoused by Vacher de Lapouge, to whom we shall return. Meanwhile, Otto Schrader in his rightly famous work, Sprachvergleichung und Urgeschichte, of 1883, and especially in the second edition, 1890, finding much of Cuno's area broken by forests and swamps, argued strongly for the vast steppes stretching from South Russia to the Hindu Kush as the original cradle-land. He made a detailed refutation of the contentions of Pictet, whose work Les origines indo-Européennes ou les Aryas primitive (2 vols. Paris, 1859-63) had been for a quarter century the chief source of linguistic arguments for the Asiatic homeland and for an idealized view of the Aryans as in their pristine glory already a race of heroes. Isaac Taylor in his well-known work, "The Origin of the Aryans" (1890), followed Schrader as to the original cradle-land but added anthropological considerations in favor of the round-head theory. He made the Celts, a tall race with round heads, the only Aryans, considered them a branch of the ancient Finns, and pictured them as Aryanizing the short long headed Iberians, the tall long-headed Scandinavians and the short round-headed Ligurians. Sir William Ridgway elaborated Taylor's thesis and extended it to include the Achaeans."

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