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Stonehenge was built by Celts, it was their Druidic Monastery.Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Just like Kogaionon which was build by Dacians, their Cousins.
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why don't you accept that ethnic groups can die out and get replaced by completely differrent peoples?
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No dude Stonehenge was used as a solar calendar by the farmers long before celts
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some J2 might be of Near eastern Romans origins too. just put it all in a "pre-Slavo-Germanic" catheogry.
A "pre-Scythian" with N-Y6503 was found in Hungary in Mezőcsát culture, 1000 bc.
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Almost all J2 Dalmatian Serbs are J2b1-M205, this branch is majority of Serbian J2 in general. J2b1-M205 originated in Syria. Came to the Balkan in Roman time, probably due to some Roman soldier of Syrian origin who served Roman army in the Balkan. That was probably happened in IV century AD. J2b1-M205 became part of Vlachs and later was slavized.
Some people see J2b1-M205 as paleo-Balkanic, but that clade arrived to the Ballan only 200 years or something before so called Slavic migration. It's clear that J2b1-M205 have nothing to do with Illyrians, Thracians or any other pre-Roman Balkan population.
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Northern Dalmatian Serbs on 116 samples with reduced Macure (I1-Z63), August 2021. A lot of Macure was tested which makes percentage of I1 unreal.
I2-Y3120 = 42.2%
I2-PH909 = 24.1%
I2-Z17855 = 6%
I1 = 14.7%
I1-P109 = 6%
I1-Z63 = 5.2%
I1-M227 = 1.7%
I1-Z58 = 1.7%
E1b = 12.1%
E-Y37092 = 2.6%
E-L241 = 1.7%
R1a= 9.5%
R1a-M458 = 5.2%
J2b = 7.8%
J2b-M205 = 6.9%
J2b-M241 = 0.9%
N2 = 7.8%
N2-P189.2 = 7.8%
R1b = 3.4%
R1b-U152 = 1.7%
R1b-Z2103 = 1.7%
J1 = 2.6%
J1-Z9949 = 2.6%
Source https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...1471#msg161471
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On the Serbian dna project and action of testing Serbian families from Vrlika area is underway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrlika
https://www.poreklo.rs/2021/11/23/pr...rlickog-kraja/
For now there is 50 tested Serbian Orthodox families (surnames) from Vrlika Krajina (area).
50 samples
I2a-Din (22) = 44%
R1a (9) = 18%
E-V13 (7) = 14%
R1b (5) = 10%
J2b (3) = 6%
J1 (2) = 4%
N2 (1) = 2%
I1 (1) = 2%
I2a-Din (Kričković - Maovice, Majlković - Maovice, Marčetić - Koljane, Stričević - Koljane, Tutuš - Koljane, Rnić - Otišić, Dragić - Civljane, Racić - Podosoje, Četnik - Cetina, Barišić - Cetina, Vuković - Cetina, Kostur - Cetina, Preočanin - Cetina, Marjan - Cetina, Ivančić - Kosore, Mišina - Kosore, Batica - Cetina, Bogdanović - Štikovo, Jošić - Baljci, Graovac - Štikovo, Bura - Štikovo, Poplašen - Mirlović Polje)
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R1a (Arnaut - Kosore, Đurić - Maovice, Knez - Kosore, Novaković - Maovice, Primetica - Maovice, Vranješ - Cetina, Ustić - Otišić, Đukić - Cetina, Medić - Cetina)
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E-V13 (Meljanac - Otišić, Milaš - Cetina, Pavlović - Civljane, Subotić - Otišić, Gajić - Otišić, Stojsavljević - Otišić, Crnomarković - Civljane)
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R1b (Cvitkovac - Maovice, Petković - Maovice, Gargenta - Cetina, Bodrožić - Koljane, Iglendža - Koljane)
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J2b (Despinić - Otišić, Šarac - Civljane, Guševac - Kanjane)
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J1 (Miodrag - Kanjane, Grujić - Štikovo)
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N2 (Garić - Koljane)
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I1 (Bulović - Bitelić)
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looks normal for the region, the r1a is increased
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R1a and R1b are higher than Dalmatian Serb average, N2 and I1 are lower, I2a-Din and E-V13 are close to average.
Poplašen, Batica and Barišić belong to "Mirilović" branch I2-Y56829. Mirilovići originated from Bileća area in East Herzegovina where they are recorded in 1368. as "vlach" katun. They settled in Dalmatian hinterland in 15th century. Before these 3 families are tested there was only one genetic Mirilović among Dalmatian Serbs (Mirilo from Žegar in Bukovica).
Crnomarković and Milaš belong to "Mataruga" branch of E-V13, they originated from Mataruge clan from East/Old Herzegovina. They are first Dalmatian Serbs with that "Mataruga" branch for now.
Primetica is first Dalmatian Serb who is R1a-YP4278, it seems this branch was present in Zahumlje and Raška since middle age. In Raška probably came from Zahumlje in the late middle age.
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Moderator from Poreklo said that Vrlika Serbs results in general show dominant Herzegovinian related deeper origin even more than Krajina Serb average in which is also the strongest Herzegovinian migration current.
BY14900 and especially YP951 inside of R1a among Vrlika Serbs (and Krajina Serbs in general) look indigenous of western/southwestern Bosnia.
- Novaković (Maovice) R1a-BY149000
- Đurić (Maovice) R1a-BY149000
- Primetica (Maovice) R1a-YP4278
- Ustić (Otišić) R1a-YP951
- Medić (Cetina) R1a-YP951
- Arnaut (Kosore) R1a-L1029
- Knez (Kosore) R1a-M458
- Vranješ (Cetina) R1a-YP6047
- Đukić (Cetina) R1a-YP6047
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