Dalmatian serb Y dna

[Blondie]

Serbs from Priboj are also 25% I1.

The I1 would have almost no effect autosomally; the I1 in Dalmatian serbs comes from like 2 people, founder of Macur clan and founder of Drobjnak, both from north-west Montenegro where many Dalmatian Serbs have clan origins from; any Germanic autosomal dna would of been bred out along time ago since it has such an extreme founder effect. I1 isn't proto germanic either; it's paleo European. R1b-U106 is proto germanic
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I believe N is higher in Bosnian Serbs; this is only a small sample so N would likely be lower percent with higher sample.

But it cannot be true, there is no way that dalmatian serbs have more proto germanic marker than germans. That's impossible.

[Ayetooey]

But it cannot be true, there is no way that dalmatian serbs have more proto germanic marker than germans. That's impossible.

It isn't proto germanic; it's paleo european. R1b-U106 is proto germanic. I1 was all over Europe at one point;

Serbs from Sandzak are 25% I1; they have similar origin to Serbs from Dalmatia, there was even a news article on it.

https://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/174537...-pravo-poreklo

The results don't mean Dalmatian Serbs are 24% Germanic; it has a founder effect from a few men who founded these clans, within 6 generations any Germanic dna would be nonresistant due to breeding with different clans, and we're talking many hundreds of years here. I believe Drobjnak I1 came from Normans, Macur the saxons (might of been other way round). People who are part of these clans know it based off their family history, so I don't find these results that shocking (paternal lines are well documented by Serbs, due to existence of clans. slavas, etc.)

[Pribislav]

But it cannot be true, there is no way that dalmatian serbs have more proto germanic marker than germans. That's impossible.

Because of genetic drift of I1 among Dalmatian Serbs.

Serbs from Banija (central Croatia) have only 2-3% I1 which is lower than Serbian average.

Banija and Dalmatian Serbs have further origin from same regions.

[Ayetooey]

This isn't conclusive anyway, only for fun based off tested people; but I knew I1 would be elevated due to the migrations to Dalmatia from those clans. Pribislav posted map before which showed I1 peaks in sandzak serbs and dalmatian serbs, and sandzak serbs are 25%.

[Blondie]

It isn't proto germanic; it's paleo european. R1b-U106 is proto germanic. I1 was all over Europe at one point;

Serbs from Sandzak are 25% I1; they have similar origin to Serbs from Dalmatia, there was even a news article on it.

https://www.telegraf.rs/vesti/174537...-pravo-poreklo

The results don't mean Dalmatian Serbs are 24% Germanic; it has a founder effect from a few men who founded these clans, within 6 generations any Germanic dna would be nonresistant due to breeding with different clans, and we're talking many hundreds of years here. I believe Drobjnak I1 came from Normans, Macur the saxons (might of been other way round). People who are part of these clans know it based off their family history, so I don't find these results that shocking (paternal lines are well documented by Serbs, due to existence of clans. slavas, etc.)

LOL nope, I1 is proto-germanic, this marker is highest in south Sweden, south Norway and Denmark (it was a home of proto-germanic peoples) and the germanic languages belong to paleo-european family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-European_languages

By your logic I2 is not slavic but paleo-european...

[Ayetooey]

LOL nope, I1 is proto-germanic, this marker is highest in south Sweden, south Norway and Denmark (it was a home of proto-germanic peoples) and the germanic languages belong to paleo-european family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-European_languages

By your logic I2 is not slavic but paleo-european...

I2 is paleo european, as is I1. I2 was slavicised by R1A, and I1 were Germanised by R1b-u106; Germanics/Slavic languages are indo european languages, I1/I2 are paleo European Y dna and existed in Europe long before indo europeans.

This debate is pointless anyway; based off migration and clan history I could of told you I1 would be high in dalmatian serbs before I even checked.

[Pribislav]

This isn't conclusive anyway, only for fun based off tested people; but I knew I1 would be elevated due to the migrations to Dalmatia from those clans. Pribislav posted map before which showed I1 peaks in sandzak serbs and dalmatian serbs, and sandzak serbs are 25%.

This map is from 2016. There was new I1 since 2016.

[Blondie]

I2 is paleo european, as is I1. I2 was slavicised by R1A, and I1 were Germanised by R1b-u106; Germanics/Slavic languages are indo european languages, I1/I2 are paleo European Y dna and existed in Europe long before indo europeans.

This debate is pointless anyway; based off migration and clan history I could of told you I1 would be high in dalmatian serbs before I even checked.

That's not true.

1. The I1 or I2 marker is paleo-european, but the subgroups of I1 and I2 is not. Subroups of I1 is belong to proto-germanic population, just like branches of I2 belong to proto-slavic ethnicity.

2. Proto Iindo-Europeans were europeans too, the PIE homeland was in Pontic Steppe and West Asia:

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

But it cannot be true, there is no way that dalmatian serbs have more proto germanic marker than germans. That's impossible.

They are very small population so genetic drift is high. Most of their I1 is not diverse and originates from two different clans.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I2 is paleo european, as is I1. I2 was slavicised by R1A, and I1 were Germanised by R1b-u106; Germanics/Slavic languages are indo european languages, I1/I2 are paleo European Y dna and existed in Europe long before indo europeans.

This debate is pointless anyway; based off migration and clan history I could of told you I1 would be high in dalmatian serbs before I even checked.

More correct to say they were Indo-Europeanised, because Slavs and Germans were born after that and these markers participated in their ethnogenesis.