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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    My ancestors arrived to Dalmatia in late 17th century from Western Bosnia.
    Venetians sented "Morlach" troops from Ravni Kotari (hinterland of Zadar) to destoy agriculture fields of my ancestors in Western Bosnia and forced them on migration. Leaders of "Morlach" troops were Serb Zaviša Janković and Croatian Franjo Posedarski.
    Zaviša Janković was brother of Stojan Janković https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković

    Name Zaviša (Zawisza) in pan-Slavic, quite common among Poles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zawisza
    Good cope but morlachs have nothing to do with slavs.You are master at drawing conclusions from the most irrelevant things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IncelSlayer View Post
    Good cope but morlachs have nothing to do with slavs.You are master at drawing conclusions from the most irrelevant things.
    My ancestors were victims of "Morlachs" in some way. "Morlachs" destoyed their agriculture fields and removed them frpm Western Bosnia to Dalmatia, because Venetians wanted to populate depopulated parts of Dalmatia.

    "Morlachs" were military caste in Venetian service. They were like Zaporozhian Cossaks.
    By nationality they were mix of Serbs and Croatians (fully Slavic speakers), nothing Aromanian about them.
    Aromanians were bankers and merchants, and "Morlachs" were badass warriors.
    "Morlachs" captured many Muslims in Bosnia and broughted them to Dalmatia. Some of captured Muslims returned later to Bosnia for money and some stayed and converted to Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IncelSlayer View Post
    The intangible heritage of Vlachs from Western balkans refers mainly to folklore. It is the case of the Vlach/Morlach folklore in Bosnia and Croatia. A ballad of Vlachs/Morlachs called “Hasanaginica” was hijacked by Croatian and Bosnian nationalist writers who deny the Vlach origin of the ballad.
    I won't comment the rest since I am not really familiar with topic, but ''Hasanaginica'' or ''Asanaginica'' is Croatian folk song about muslim Croatian family in Dalmatian hinterland, and has absolutely no relation with Vlachs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasanaginica

    It was written in purely Croatian variant of Štokavian - Ikavica.

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    Hasanaginica is a masterpiece by the way.

    "The Mourning Song of the Noble Wife of the Asan Aga"


    What's so white upon yon verdant forest?
    Snow perhaps it is or swans assembled?
    Snow would surely long ago have melted.
    And a flight of swans would have departed.
    No! not swans, not snow it is you see there,
    'Tis the tent of Aga, Hasan Aga;
    On his couch he lies, severely wounded.
    And his mother seeks him, and his sister,
    But for very shame his wife is absent.

    When the misery of his wounds was softened,
    Hasan thus his faithful wife commanded:
    "In my house thou shalt abide no longer—
    Thou shalt dwell no more among my kindred."
    When his wife had heard this awful sentence,
    Numbed with dread she stood and full of sorrow.
    When outside she heard the tramp of horses,
    To the highest window of the tower
    Rushed the faithful Hasanaginica,
    Would have thrown herself into the courtyard,
    But her two beloved daughters followed.
    Crying after her in tearful anguish—

    "Do come back to us, oh, mother, mother!
    These are not our father Hasan's coursers,
    'Tis our uncle Pintorovich coming."
    Then, returning, Hasanaginica
    Threw her arms in misery round her brother—
    "See the sorrow, brother, of thy sister:
    He would tear me from my helpless children."
    He was silent—but from out his pocket.
    Safely wrapped in silk of deepest scarlet.
    Letters of divorce he drew, and bid her
    Seek again her aged mother's dwelling—
    Free to win and wed another husband.
    When she saw the letter of divorcement,
    Parting-kisses on her two boys' foreheads,
    On her girls' red cheeks she pressed in sorrow.
    But she could not tear herself from baby
    Crowing at his mother from the cradle.
    But at last her brother with an effort
    Tore the mother from her tender infant,
    Put her close behind him on his courser.
    Hastened with her to the white-hued homestead.

    But a short while dwelt she with her people—
    Not a single week had been completed,
    When a host of suitors wooed the lady
    Of a noble family the flower;
    One of them Imoski's mighty Cadi.
    Said the noble lady, trembling greatly,
    "I entreat thee, I implore thee, brother,
    Do not give me to another husband.
    For the sight of my poor orphan'd children
    Sure would break the spirit of thy sister!"

    Little cared her brother for her sorrows;
    He had sworn she should espouse the Cadi.
    Then his sister asked of him a favour:
    "Write on snow-white paper, O, my brother.
    To the Cadi as a bridal message,
    'Friendly greetings from the youthful woman.
    And she begs thee bring her as a present.
    When thy wedding-guests and thou art coming
    Hither to her peoples' white-hued homestead,
    Such a long and flowing veil that passing
    Aga's home she need not see her orphans.'

    When the snow-white letter reached the Cadi,
    All his wedding-guests he called together,
    And set out with them for his betrothed,
    Future mistress of his white-hued homestead.
    Safely reached he with his friends her dwelling;
    Happily were all returning homeward,
    But when they were passing Aga's homestead.
    Her two daughters saw her from the window.
    Her two sons came out, and from the portal
    Called to her, "Come hither! O, come hither!
    Take thy night's repast with thine own children!"

    Sadly Hasanaginica heard them;
    And she said to him who led the party,
    "I should be most grateful to you, captain.
    If you kindly halted the procession
    While I give some presents to the children."

    So they stopped at the beloved portal.
    Presents gave she unto all the children.
    To the boys, high boots with gold embroidered;
    To the girls, long and resplendent dresses;
    And a silken garment to her baby.—


    Near them sat their father, Hasan Aga,
    And he called in sorrow to his children,
    "Come to me, poor children! to your father.
    From your mother do not hope for pity.
    Callous is she, cold and stony-hearted."

    Hasanaginica, when she heard this.
    On the ground she fell all pale and trembling.
    And her spirit left its earthly prison
    At the glances of her orphan children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    My ancestors were victims of "Morlachs" in some way. "Morlachs" destoyed their agriculture fields and removed them frpm Western Bosnia to Dalmatia, because Venetians wanted to populate depopulated parts of Dalmatia.
    Do I look like I care?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    By nationality they were mix of Serbs and Croatians (fully Slavic speakers), nothing Aromanian about them.
    This is only after 16th century, before morlachs were assimilated.What part of this do you not understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    "Morlachs" were military caste in Venetian service. They were like Zaporozhian Cossaks.
    By nationality they were mix of Serbs and Croatians (fully Slavic speakers), nothing Aromanian about them.
    Aromanians were bankers and merchants, and "Morlachs" were badass warriors.
    Vlachs had the function of military border units in Bizantyne Empire and later in the Kingdom of Hungary. Aromanians are just a tiny part of all Balakan romance speaking population, with a weird language which today is very hard to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    I won't comment the rest since I am not really familiar with topic, but ''Hasanaginica'' or ''Asanaginica'' is Croatian folk song about muslim Croatian family in Dalmatian hinterland, and has absolutely no relation with Vlachs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasanaginica

    It was written in purely Croatian variant of Štokavian - Ikavica.
    It is translated by Alberto Fortis and he said he got it from Morlachs whom he said spoke a slavic language that was closer to italian that the one from the coast, so their lexicon still contained high number of romance words.

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    "Morlach" (on horse) kill Turk/Bosnian Muslim (bald guy) https://youtu.be/CLS7WJNmPns?t=1004

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    Quote Originally Posted by IncelSlayer View Post
    It is translated by Alberto Fortis and he said he got it from Morlachs whom he said spoke a slavic language that was closer to italian that the one from the coast, so their lexicon still contained high number of romance words.
    Interesting.

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    Fortis himself stated that the Morlachs claim Roman origins. This was after their Slavicization though.


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