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    Default Bronze Age Bulgarian R1a-Z93

    I uploaded Bronze Age Bulgarian I2163, whose Y-DNA was R1a (but Indo-Iranian branch Z93, not Slavic):

    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map...2.1360/25.5602

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrovgrad,_Bulgaria



    GEDmatch Genesis kit number - MW2273712

    Eurogenes K15 results:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 35.52
    2 Eastern_Euro 19.23
    3 Baltic 13.65
    4 Atlantic 13.45
    5 West_Asian 12.95
    6 South_Asian 3.15
    7 Amerindian 2.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 North_Swedish 13.52
    2 Swedish 15.34
    3 Finnish 15.54
    4 Southwest_Finnish 15.82
    5 Norwegian 15.93
    6 East_German 17.21
    7 North_German 17.24
    8 West_Norwegian 17.25
    9 Danish 17.71
    10 Hungarian 17.94
    11 East_Finnish 18.02
    12 North_Dutch 18.06
    13 West_German 18.34
    14 South_Polish 19.7
    15 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.72
    16 Ukrainian 19.84
    17 Estonian 20.15
    18 Orcadian 20.35
    19 West_Scottish 20.42
    20 South_Dutch 20.48

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 75.5% North_Swedish + 24.5% Tabassaran @ 7.58
    2 77.6% North_Swedish + 22.4% Lezgin @ 8.3
    3 79% North_Swedish + 21% Chechen @ 8.67
    4 73.4% Swedish + 26.6% Tabassaran @ 9.11
    5 81.6% North_Swedish + 18.4% Adygei @ 9.45
    6 82.1% North_Swedish + 17.9% Ossetian @ 9.52
    7 72.7% Norwegian + 27.3% Tabassaran @ 9.53
    8 80.9% North_Swedish + 19.1% Kabardin @ 9.57
    9 80.3% North_Swedish + 19.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 9.58
    10 82.5% North_Swedish + 17.5% Kalash @ 9.59
    11 80.1% North_Swedish + 19.9% Kumyk @ 9.61
    12 82.3% North_Swedish + 17.7% North_Ossetian @ 9.62
    13 84.8% North_Swedish + 15.2% Abhkasian @ 9.66
    14 81.6% North_Swedish + 18.4% Balkar @ 9.72
    15 75.6% Swedish + 24.4% Lezgin @ 9.77
    16 84.2% North_Swedish + 15.8% Georgian @ 9.81
    17 70.5% West_Norwegian + 29.5% Tabassaran @ 9.87
    18 83.5% North_Swedish + 16.5% Balochi @ 10.04
    19 74.8% Norwegian + 25.2% Lezgin @ 10.11
    20 84% North_Swedish + 16% Brahui @ 10.13

    Eurogenes K15 PCA:

    Abscisse (x-axis): 534 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 144 pixel



    Similarity Maps:

    Russia & Asia:



    And Europe:


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    Wow. Very steppe guy. Obviously elite sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić View Post
    Wow. Very steppe guy. Obviously elite sample.
    He looks totally out of place in modern Southern Europe.

    Was he a recent immigrant to Bulgaria from the Steppes?

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    Nice one.

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    From Eurogenes Blog:

    https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/...e-balkans.html

    "Bulgaria_MLBA I2163: Y-hg R1a1a1b2 mt-hg U5a2 1750-1625 calBCE

    The most Yamnaya-like of all of the Balkan samples in Mathieson et al. 2017, and, as far as I can see based on his overall genome-wide results, probably indistinguishable from the contemporaneous Srubnaya people of the Pontic-Caspian steppe. He also belongs to Y-haplogroup R1a-Z93, which is a marker typical of Srubnaya and other closely related steppe groups such as Andronovo, Potapovka and Sintashta. So there's very little doubt that he's either a migrant or a recent descendant of migrants to the Balkans from the Pontic-Caspian steppe."

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    My comparison results for thresold 200-400

    Largest segment = 0.3 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 0.3 cM (0.008 Pct)

    1 shared segments found for this comparison.

    83984 SNPs used for this comparison.

    51.312 Pct SNPs are full identical

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    Real Thracian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Real Thracian.
    Some people think he was a Proto-Greek before mixing with Minoan "wogs" further south.

    This sample is dated to: 1750-1625 BC

    Myceaneans are dated to:

    1411-1262 BC (one sample)
    1416-1280 BC (one sample)
    1700-1200 BC (two samples)

    So he could be ancestral to Mycenaeans.

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    Edit:

    Some more calcs:

    His results in puntDNAL K12:

    puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 European_HG 45.79
    2 Caucasus_HG 27.88
    3 Anatolian_NF 19.89
    4 Beringian 3.41
    5 Amerindian 1.41
    6 South_Asian 1.31

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Srubnaya_I0232 @ 3.134314
    2 Sintashta_MBA_RISE395 @ 3.797682
    3 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 @ 3.900799
    4 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 @ 4.797025
    5 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0104 @ 5.052248
    6 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 @ 5.825454
    7 Srubnaya_I0430 @ 7.175141
    8 Potapovka_I0419 @ 7.469271
    9 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 8.079706
    10 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 11.250714
    11 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 @ 12.764265
    12 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 13.424397
    13 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 13.650426
    14 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 @ 14.740792
    15 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 14.801845
    16 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 @ 14.956509
    17 Yamnaya_Samara_I0443 @ 15.883912
    18 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 @ 16.527464
    19 Scythian_IA_I0247 @ 16.988422
    20 Afanasievo_SG_RISE511 @ 19.113752

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Andronovo_SG_RISE505 +50% Srubnaya_I0232 @ 2.810591

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Andronovo_SG_RISE505 +25% Srubnaya_I0232 +25% Srubnaya_I0232 @ 2.810591

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Andronovo_SG_RISE505 + Srubnaya_I0232 + Srubnaya_I0232 + Srubnaya_I0232 @ 2.597268
    (...)

    His results in MDLP K11:

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 WHG 40.86
    2 EHG 31.94
    3 Neolithic 14.98
    4 Iran-Mesolithic 7.98
    5 Amerindian 2.13

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Srubnaya_LBA @ 4.859118
    2 Sintashta_MBA @ 4.960232
    3 Andronovo_Eneolithic @ 7.546394
    4 Corded_Ware_Germany @ 7.561746
    5 Corded_Ware_Germany @ 8.130066
    6 Poltavka_MBA_outlier @ 8.672397
    7 Corded_Ware_Estonia @ 9.067833
    8 Nordic_BattleAxe @ 10.487313
    9 Potapovka_BA @ 10.598248
    10 Srubnaya_LBA_outlier @ 10.608652
    11 Corded_Ware_Proto_Unetice_Poland @ 11.877763
    12 Irish_BA @ 12.260816
    13 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN @ 12.415079
    14 Nordic_BA @ 12.691585
    15 Karsdorf_LN @ 13.087960
    16 Nordic_LN @ 13.605470
    17 Nordic_IA @ 13.647160
    18 Unetice_MBA @ 13.749290
    19 Unetice_EBA @ 14.416342
    20 Nordic_LBA @ 14.966543

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Nordic_BattleAxe +50% Potapovka_BA @ 1.818545

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Afanasievo_Eneolithic +25% Hungary_BA +25% Sintashta_MBA @ 1.350623

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Hungary_BA + Sintashta_MBA + Yamnaya_Kalmykia_LBA + Yamnaya_Kalmykia_LBA @ 1.237987
    (...)
    Last edited by Peterski; 03-03-2019 at 12:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Some people think he was a Proto-Greek before mixing with Minoan "wogs" further south.

    This sample is dated to: 1750-1625 BC

    Myceaneans are dated to:

    1411-1262 BC (one sample)
    1416-1280 BC (one sample)
    1700-1200 BC (two samples)

    So he could be ancestral to Mycenaeans.
    You got the words from my mouth.This example must belong to proto-greek multi-cordened-ware culture.

    Remember,proto greeks had some shared terms and tales with proto indo iranians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Real Thracian.
    Thracians were from the Iron Age.

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