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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hĺkan View Post
    PHP Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    #    Population    Percent
    1    Ancestral_Altaic    17.19
    2    European_Early_Farmers    16.68
    3    European_Hunters_Gatherers    16.22
    4    East_Siberian    13.16
    5    South_Central_Asian    12.77
    6    Tungus
    -Altaic    12.57
    7    Arctic    6.88
    8    Paleo_Siberian    2.53
    9    Austronesian    2

    Single Population Sharing
    :

    #    Population (source)    Distance
    1    Saami ( )    26.26
    2    Hakas 
    ( )    27.19
    3    Tatar
    -Siberian ( )    29
    4    Bashkir 
    ( )    29.68
    5    Kazahs 
    ( )    29.97
    6    Saami_Finland 
    ( )    31.12
    7    Altaian 
    ( )    32.2
    8    Udmurd 
    ( )    33.38
    9    Uygur
    -Han ( )    33.45
    10    Uygur 
    ( )    33.66
    11    Hazara 
    ( )    33.78
    12    Kazakh 
    ( )    34.01
    13    Mari 
    ( )    34.12
    14    Kyrgyz_Bishkek 
    ( )    34.17
    15    Selkup 
    ( )    34.71
    16    Kyrgyz 
    ( )    35.21
    17    Even 
    ( )    36.27
    18    Icelandic 
    ( )    36.67
    19    Tubalar 
    ( )    37.13
    20    Turkmen_Afghan 
    ( )    37.18

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing
    :

    #         Primary Population (source)    Secondary Population (source)    Distance
    1         72.8%    Hakas ( )    +    27.2%    Basque_French ( )    @    14.26
    2         69.9
    %    Hakas ( )    +    30.1%    Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( )    @    14.28
    3         72.6
    %    Hakas ( )    +    27.4%    Basque_Spanish ( )    @    14.39
    4         68.7
    %    Hakas ( )    +    31.3%    French_South ( )    @    15.59
    5         68.4
    %    Hakas ( )    +    31.6%    Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( )    @    16.33
    6         68.4
    %    Hakas ( )    +    31.6%    Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( )    @    16.33
    7         68.8
    %    Hakas ( )    +    31.2%    Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( )    @    16.7
    8         61
    %    Hakas ( )    +    39%    Orcadian ( )    @    16.93
    9         69.2
    %    Hakas ( )    +    30.8%    Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( )    @    17.09
    10         61.4
    %    Hakas ( )    +    38.6%    Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( )    @    17.27
    11         69.2
    %    Hakas ( )    +    30.8%    Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( )    @    17.28
    12         68.1
    %    Hakas ( )    +    31.9%    Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( )    @    17.32
    13         67.8
    %    Hakas ( )    +    32.2%    Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( )    @    17.39
    14         68
    %    Hakas ( )    +    32%    Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( )    @    17.51
    15         68.9
    %    Hakas ( )    +    31.1%    Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( )    @    17.59
    16         69.2
    %    Hakas ( )    +    30.8%    Spanish_Cataluna_IBS ( )    @    17.64
    17         67.3
    %    Hakas ( )    +    32.7%    Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( )    @    17.75
    18         60.9
    %    Hakas ( )    +    39.1%    Icelandic ( )    @    17.81
    19         76.8
    %    Hakas ( )    +    23.2%    Sardinian ( )    @    18.07
    20         69.6
    %    Hakas ( )    +    30.4%    Spaniard ( )    @    18.13 
    There are two other Cimmerians with R1b1a (mtdna H9a) and Q1a1 (mtdna C5c). Both have the same East Eurasian shift.
    Pure Indo Europeans matches with Hakas, that's a fact. Tungus- Altaic is %100 IE mix.

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    R1b-Z2103 patrilineal Hindu-Iranians and sheeet
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    Quote Originally Posted by xripkan View Post
    What I think it also worths to mention is that R1b-Z2103 which is the basic marker of Balkan Bronze Age IE migrants is also considered a minor marker of early Indo-Iranians. So it is quite possible that Balkan IE migrants carried some R-Z93 (basic marker of Indo-Iranians).
    That is also true. R1b was found in Sintashta too as far as i remember .Indo-Iranians mixed with R1b tribes in the steppe region and absorbed them. So some of the R1b in Central Asia and surrounding regions was brought by Indo-Iranians

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian of the Age View Post
    Pure Indo Europeans matches with Hakas, that's a fact. Tungus- Altaic is %100 IE mix.
    The distance is 27 lol. The same distance a North European has probably to an Arab. They are not similar at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian of the Age View Post
    Pure Indo Europeans matches with Hakas, that's a fact. Tungus- Altaic is %100 IE mix.
    True PROTO-Indo-European matches with Saami, another fat fact
    PHP Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    #    Population    Percent
    1    European_Hunters_Gatherers    70.65
    2    Ancestral_Altaic    17.85
    3    Amerindian    2.98
    4    European_Early_Farmers    1.99
    5    Arctic    1.82
    6    Subsaharian    0.86
    7    South_Central_Asian    0.82
    8    Australoid    0.63
    9    Archaic_Human    0.55
    10    East_Siberian    0.49
    11    African_Pygmy    0.47
    12    Archaic_African    0.47
    13    South_Indian    0.42

    Single Population Sharing
    :

    #    Population (source)    Distance
    1    Saami ( )    21.04
    2    Saami_Finland 
    ( )    25.94
    3    Udmurd 
    ( )    29.23
    4    Bashkir 
    ( )    29.57
    5    Mari 
    ( )    31.34
    6    Tatar
    -Siberian ( )    31.87
    7    Saami_Kola 
    ( )    32.1
    8    Finn 
    ( )    33.44
    9    Karelian 
    ( )    33.52
    10    Komi 
    ( )    34.21
    11    Chuvash 
    ( )    34.28
    12    Hakas 
    ( )    34.37
    13    Finn_East 
    ( )    34.86
    14    Uygur
    -Han ( )    34.93
    15    Finnish
    -East ( )    35.17
    16    Finnish_FIN 
    ( )    35.76
    17    Chuvashs 
    ( )    35.89
    18    Kazahs 
    ( )    35.99
    19    Vepsa 
    ( )    36.32
    20    Aleut 
    ( )    36.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing
    :

    #         Primary Population (source)    Secondary Population (source)    Distance
    1         85.8%    Saami ( )    +    14.2%    Athabask ( )    @    18.88
    2         81.4
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.6%    Ojibwa ( )    @    18.94
    3         81.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.4%    Haida ( )    @    19.04
    4         80.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    19.4%    Ayta_AE ( )    @    19.11
    5         83.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    16.3%    Cree ( )    @    19.19
    6         88.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    11.7%    Navajo ( )    @    19.22
    7         84.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.3%    Hema ( )    @    19.24
    8         85
    %    Saami ( )    +    15%    Kikuyu ( )    @    19.26
    9         84.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.3%    Sandawe ( )    @    19.29
    10         85.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    14.4%    Khwe ( )    @    19.33
    11         85.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    14.7%    Masai_Ayodo ( )    @    19.35
    12         84.2
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.8%    Lamaholt ( )    @    19.36
    13         84.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.5%    Lembata ( )    @    19.37
    14         84.1
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.9%    Manggarai ( )    @    19.38
    15         86.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    13.4%    Alur ( )    @    19.4
    16         83.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    16.5%    Ati ( )    @    19.41
    17         86.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    13.7%    Shua ( )    @    19.43
    18         89.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    10.4%    Apache ( )    @    19.44
    19         82.4
    %    Saami ( )    +    17.6%    Mamanawa ( )    @    19.45
    20         87.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    12.5%    Cochimi ( )    @    19.46 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kipchak Hĺkan View Post
    True PROTO-Indo-European matches with Saami, another fat fact
    PHP Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):

    #    Population    Percent
    1    European_Hunters_Gatherers    70.65
    2    Ancestral_Altaic    17.85
    3    Amerindian    2.98
    4    European_Early_Farmers    1.99
    5    Arctic    1.82
    6    Subsaharian    0.86
    7    South_Central_Asian    0.82
    8    Australoid    0.63
    9    Archaic_Human    0.55
    10    East_Siberian    0.49
    11    African_Pygmy    0.47
    12    Archaic_African    0.47
    13    South_Indian    0.42

    Single Population Sharing
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    #    Population (source)    Distance
    1    Saami ( )    21.04
    2    Saami_Finland 
    ( )    25.94
    3    Udmurd 
    ( )    29.23
    4    Bashkir 
    ( )    29.57
    5    Mari 
    ( )    31.34
    6    Tatar
    -Siberian ( )    31.87
    7    Saami_Kola 
    ( )    32.1
    8    Finn 
    ( )    33.44
    9    Karelian 
    ( )    33.52
    10    Komi 
    ( )    34.21
    11    Chuvash 
    ( )    34.28
    12    Hakas 
    ( )    34.37
    13    Finn_East 
    ( )    34.86
    14    Uygur
    -Han ( )    34.93
    15    Finnish
    -East ( )    35.17
    16    Finnish_FIN 
    ( )    35.76
    17    Chuvashs 
    ( )    35.89
    18    Kazahs 
    ( )    35.99
    19    Vepsa 
    ( )    36.32
    20    Aleut 
    ( )    36.4

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing
    :

    #         Primary Population (source)    Secondary Population (source)    Distance
    1         85.8%    Saami ( )    +    14.2%    Athabask ( )    @    18.88
    2         81.4
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.6%    Ojibwa ( )    @    18.94
    3         81.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.4%    Haida ( )    @    19.04
    4         80.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    19.4%    Ayta_AE ( )    @    19.11
    5         83.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    16.3%    Cree ( )    @    19.19
    6         88.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    11.7%    Navajo ( )    @    19.22
    7         84.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.3%    Hema ( )    @    19.24
    8         85
    %    Saami ( )    +    15%    Kikuyu ( )    @    19.26
    9         84.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.3%    Sandawe ( )    @    19.29
    10         85.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    14.4%    Khwe ( )    @    19.33
    11         85.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    14.7%    Masai_Ayodo ( )    @    19.35
    12         84.2
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.8%    Lamaholt ( )    @    19.36
    13         84.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.5%    Lembata ( )    @    19.37
    14         84.1
    %    Saami ( )    +    15.9%    Manggarai ( )    @    19.38
    15         86.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    13.4%    Alur ( )    @    19.4
    16         83.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    16.5%    Ati ( )    @    19.41
    17         86.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    13.7%    Shua ( )    @    19.43
    18         89.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    10.4%    Apache ( )    @    19.44
    19         82.4
    %    Saami ( )    +    17.6%    Mamanawa ( )    @    19.45
    20         87.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    12.5%    Cochimi ( )    @    19.46 
    Lol the distances are huge and it is obvious that the calculator does not work for this cimmerian because it is based on modern genetic drift

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhat View Post
    Lol the distances are huge and it is obvious that the calculator does not work for this cimmerian because it is based on modern genetic drift
    Yep, ancient Indo-European genetic drift... with huge distances..
    PHP Code:
    # Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Karelia_HG 6.032225
    2 Scandinavian_MHG 
    9.623356
    3 Scandinavian_NH 
    20.703035
    4 Samara_Eneolithic 
    25.043360
    5 Siberian_Ice_Age 
    25.304670
    6 Brillenhohle_Magdalenian 
    25.899303
    7 ElMiron_Magdalenian 
    26.141340
    8 GoyetQ_2_Magdalenian 
    26.761995
    9 Swedish_HG 
    27.058998
    10 Baltic_LBA 
    27.462460
    11 Rigney1_Magdalenian 
    27.865808
    12 Ofnet_Mesolithic 
    27.884247
    13 Burkhardtshohle_Magdalenian 
    28.165215
    14 HohleFels49_Magdalenian 
    29.042370
    15 Samara_HG 
    29.274351
    16 Bockstein_Mesolithic 
    29.515978
    17 Iboussieres39 
    29.825098
    18 Rochedane_Epipaleolithic 
    29.924730
    19 Nordic_BA 
    29.974075
    20 Luxembourg_Mesolithic 
    30.315481

    # Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50Rochedane_Epipaleolithic +50Samara_HG 2.312710

    # Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50Rochedane_Epipaleolithic +25Samara_HG +25Samara_HG 2.312710 
    The same distance Proto-Ethiopians had probably to modern Tajiks?
    Last edited by Proto-Shaman; 03-10-2019 at 02:41 PM.


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    Pure patrilineal IE marker and pure IE matches with Amerindians

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    #    Population    Percent
    1    Ancestral_Altaic    30.88
    2    European_Hunters_Gatherers    23.27
    3    Amerindian    17.87
    4    South_Central_Asian    10.55
    5    East_Siberian    6.42
    6    Arctic    6.3
    7    Paleo_Siberian    4.37
    8    African_Pygmy    0.3
    9    Caucasian    0.04

    Single Population Sharing
    :

    #    Population (source)    Distance
    1    Saami ( )    28
    2    Udmurd 
    ( )    32.3
    3    Saami_Finland 
    ( )    33.26
    4    Bashkir 
    ( )    34.29
    5    Mari 
    ( )    35.77
    6    Selkup 
    ( )    36.14
    7    Mansi 
    ( )    36.22
    8    Tatar
    -Siberian ( )    36.3
    9    Hakas 
    ( )    36.7
    10    Ojibwa 
    ( )    38.44
    11    Chuvash 
    ( )    39.58
    12    Tubalar 
    ( )    39.79
    13    Haida 
    ( )    39.87
    14    Saami_Kola 
    ( )    39.98
    15    Tsimsian 
    ( )    40.08
    16    Komi 
    ( )    40.15
    17    Uygur
    -Han ( )    40.63
    18    Tlingit 
    ( )    40.99
    19    Chuvashs 
    ( )    41.06
    20    Cree 
    ( )    41.58

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing
    :

    #         Primary Population (source)    Secondary Population (source)    Distance
    1         52.1%    Mansi ( )    +    47.9%    Ojibwa ( )    @    19.57
    2         54.7
    %    Mansi ( )    +    45.3%    Cree ( )    @    20.02
    3         53.3
    %    Mansi ( )    +    46.7%    Haida ( )    @    20.12
    4         53.7
    %    Ojibwa ( )    +    46.3%    Khant ( )    @    20.19
    5         52.4
    %    Haida ( )    +    47.6%    Khant ( )    @    20.56
    6         56.9
    %    Mansi ( )    +    43.1%    Algonquin ( )    @    20.79
    7         51.1
    %    Cree ( )    +    48.9%    Khant ( )    @    20.91
    8         75
    %    Saami ( )    +    25%    Navajo ( )    @    21.15
    9         72.1
    %    Saami ( )    +    27.9%    Athabask ( )    @    21.27
    10         61.6
    %    Mansi ( )    +    38.4%    Athabask ( )    @    21.29
    11         76.7
    %    Saami ( )    +    23.3%    Apache ( )    @    21.34
    12         51.1
    %    Khant ( )    +    48.9%    Algonquin ( )    @    21.64
    13         78.9
    %    Saami ( )    +    21.1%    Luiseno ( )    @    21.79
    14         64.3
    %    Saami ( )    +    35.7%    Ojibwa ( )    @    21.81
    15         80.9
    %    Saami ( )    +    19.1%    Totonac ( )    @    21.85
    16         80.9
    %    Saami ( )    +    19.1%    Pima ( )    @    21.86
    17         66.9
    %    Saami ( )    +    33.1%    Cree ( )    @    21.87
    18         81.5
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.5%    Huichol ( )    @    21.87
    19         81.6
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.4%    Quechua_Bolivia ( )    @    21.89
    20         81.2
    %    Saami ( )    +    18.8%    Zapotec ( )    @    21.89 


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arhat View Post
    Lol the distances are huge and it is obvious that the calculator does not work for this cimmerian because it is based on modern genetic drift
    This sample was over %30 percent Mongoloid and only Uralics and Turkics are in his oracle. Are you blind or worse ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian of the Age View Post
    This sample was over %30 percent Mongoloid and only Uralics and Turkics are in his oracle. Are you blind or worse ?
    These so called "Uralics" and "Turkics" are just assimilated Indo-Iranians. Look at Mordvin and Mari ethnonym, it's means "man" in all Indo-Iranians dialects, this is proof that Uralics and Turkics are just a bunch of assimilated folks.

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