POLL: opinion on Josip Broz Tito

**Dna8** · 03-05-2019, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ford

It would have been a better contender without the socialism. Anyways, its potential was definitely high, but it was still a romantic idea held back by the fact that three different civilizations were collected in one state. Also, I doubt any Balkan nation will ever reach the level of discipline and competence as Germany.

Fair enough

In another dimension where geopolitics doesn't exist, Yugoslavia abides (and we have one two world cups by now)

**CommonSense** · 03-05-2019, 10:34 PM

He was a master diplomat and his politics of neutrality were something that the present day Serbian and Balkan leaders can only dream of achieving. It's cringeworthy to see Vučić trying to maintain equally good relations with both EU/NATO and Putin's Russia. Tito is the only one who could have pulled off things like convincing the USA, UK and France to send you yearly aid for several years so that you can go on building a socialist state. However, that's pretty much the only positive side to him.
The internal policies he and his party made were the reason things went south in the 90s and continue to be shit to this day. They preached brotherhood and unity, yet not only did Tito and co fail to purge the remnants of nationalistic thought (too busy removing the enemies of socialism like his pal Stalin, I suppose), but the new state constitutions ultimately served to divide everyone once more. The only thing that mattered to them was their own wealth and well-being, which was of course only achieved and secured by subjugating every aspect of society to the KPJ and Tito's cult of personality. In a typical communist manner they made everyone live in one big lie and as long as the standards were decent, people went along with it.

**Crn Volk** · 03-05-2019, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

Hebrang tried to secede Croatia from Yugoslavia and to become Soviet satelite and join Warsaw Pact, that's why Tito had him killed.

We had similar politicians in Macedonia who had Soviet backing to secede from Yugoslavia and form a united Macedonian state in the Warsaw Pact. VMRO received backing for this and actively operated against Tito. Needless to say those caught within Yugoslavia were imprisoned or executed. Examples - Panko Brashnarov, Pavel Shatev. Other Macedonians who sought complete independence from Yugoslavia eg. Metodija Andonov-Chento, Dragan Bogdanovski, also received a similar fate.

**Dna8** · 03-05-2019, 10:53 PM

Tito sent assassins to NZ to take care of dissidents.

**Crn Volk** · 03-05-2019, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dna8

Tito sent assassins to NZ to take care of dissidents.

And Australia, and throughout Europe.

**Dna8** · 03-05-2019, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Crn Volk

And Australia, and throughout Europe.

The targets in NZ were mostly Dalmatians who had settled in the far North of the North Island.

**Mraz** · 03-07-2019, 08:08 PM

Very positive, he made of Yugoslavia some relevant country, industrialized it, educated people.
All ex-Yu leaders are little bitches compared to TITO.