China's Moral Crisis

[The Lawspeaker]

Lol those countries are as or more corrupt and stagnant than China itself is. Especially between China and India there is no real comparison - the latter is many many times worse for poverty, illiteracy, corruption, lawlessness, misogyny, homophobia, communalism, superstitiousness, racism etc.

Lovely. A lot of leftist buzzwords but Western industry is beginning to pull out of China: Trump is bringing jobs back to America (for instance) and industry is also moving to other places to avoid China's stifling corruption, fickle governance and regulations. The only reason why they became industrialised was because of Western investment and the condition from the Chinese that they had to hand over all their commercial secrets. Without Western investment, China would go back to the 1970s or even the 1960s.

[Morena]

It's a deeply disturbing society where having an actual rule of law is an alien concept. Their "morality" is much more fickle and just relies on whatever the boss at the time calls the new official truth and it can change at any second and any deviation from what the boss wants is punished severely. It's both deeply hierarchical, inconsistent and deeply corrupt. In fact: I wouldn't call them immoral, I would call them amoral as when it comes to morality, there is no rejection of it but a complete absence.

I have heard of some crazy stuff in the Philippines but, for all its ills, there is still some Christian influence there that can moderate it. For Asia's non-Christian societies, you would need a Western-style (and imposed) rule of law (South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong) to maintain some order or it will fall into complete moral degradation. It's not like here in Western Europe and Western style former colonies ( U.S, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) where private morality and public good have become internalized over time.

To be very blunt about it: I think Western society is the only true moral society as it doesn't just have this internalized notion of not doing unto others what you wouldn't want done to you (deeply rooted in Christianity) but also because public criticism and personal self-criticism (and thus being personally responsible for your actions) are very important concepts here.

And then the question arises ? What got us our morality ? I think it's a historical development starting with Greek and Roman philosophy and then we were drenched in Christianity (both mediaeval and Reformation - the latter of which, for all its ills, forced people to think about their religion and its principles on a deeply personal basis) and that was followed by the Age of Enlightenment. Can non-Christian societies go through the same ? I don't think so. Can non-Western Christian societies go through it ? It will take centuries to get to where we are now as they will need their own Reformation and their own Enlightenment.

Our culture was baptized literally and figuratively, for thousands of years causing this. We are currently losing it.

[The Lawspeaker]

Our culture was baptized literally and figuratively, for thousands of years causing this. We are currently losing it.

I agree. I think that what the Left is doing is using our killer app (self criticism) to corrode society by undermining the very foundation (that Christian morality) and then to create something... more akin to the Chinese Thought model.

[Hexachordia]

About despotism ancient greek philosophers have already made very precise descriptions about its modus operandi and its cultural impacts on people. People under despotism is always subjected to fear and mutual destruction, while the bureaucratic class acts but like mobmasters. I am not interested in studying tasteless communist complexes. However, chinese people have a long history of resistence against it. It is an insult to chinese people and humanity itself to consider chinese people as a complete piece of the communist bloc. No matter who is in the ruling system, chinese identity is not equal to communism. There is an ideological vitality in China, we share with any other nations, maybe, to take chinese more geographically than culturally is better to understand the situation if cared to. Like european, american, not british, or germanic. Shortly speaking, It is pointless to expect China become uniformly civilized as a nation, never will.

[Morena]

I agree. I think that what the Left is doing is using our killer app (self criticism) to corrode society by undermining the very foundation (that Christian morality) and then to create something... more akin to the Chinese Thought model.

I know that one shouldn't base understanding of a certain culture on their dramas, but there is something to be said about what a particular group of people finds acceptable. And one thing that strikes me, over and over again is how easily and without effort the heroes lie and deceive. It's almost second nature to them, and no one cares. In fact, when the hero is caught in a lie, it is assumed that he did so for the good of his efforts. Whatever the Emperor or chief god says is right is right. There is constant bowing and scraping, and deference to authority. I like their dramas and stories, but it is an alien perspective, to be sure. To compare them to Spanish (from Spain) dramas, it's the villains who act this wa with lies. When heroes lie or deceive, it's always shown as being the last resort and usually with a lot of guilt tossed in. lol. and we are known for being somewhat deceitful.

[The Lawspeaker]

I know that one shouldn't base understanding of a certain culture on their dramas, but there is something to be said about what a particular group of people finds acceptable. And one thing that strikes me, over and over again is how easily and without effort the heroes lie and deceive. It's almost second nature to them, and no one cares. In fact, when the hero is caught in a lie, it is assumed that he did so for the good of his efforts. Whatever the Emperor or chief god says is right is right. There is constant bowing and scraping, and deference to authority. I like their dramas and stories, but it is an alien perspective, to be sure. To compare them to Spanish (from Spain) dramas, it's the villains who act this wa with lies. When heroes lie or deceive, it's always shown as being the last resort and usually with a lot of guilt tossed in. lol. and we are known for being somewhat deceitful.

I think this should tell you something about their culture. While the British or Americans certainly were no angels in their days of being a world power (neither were the other Western Europeans for that matter), having China is a potential world power is a nightmare scenario as they would act without any internal opposition, any self-criticism or, indeed, any guiding morality.

[lonewolfcypriot]

why don't these parents beat their kids?

[Morena]

About despotism ancient greek philosophers have already made very precise descriptions about its modus operandi and its cultural impacts on people. People under despotism is always subjected to fear and mutual destruction, while the bureaucratic class acts but like mobmasters. I am not interested in studying tasteless communist complexes. However, chinese people have a long history of resistence against it. It is an insult to chinese people and humanity itself to consider chinese people as a complete piece of the communist bloc. No matter who is in the ruling system, chinese identity is not equal to communism. There is an ideological vitality in China, we share with any other nations, maybe, to take chinese more geographically than culturally is better to understand the situation if cared to. Like european, american, not british, or germanic. Shortly speaking, It is pointless to expect China become uniformly civilized as a nation, never will.

I don't think anyone here is saying that the Chinese equal communism. What we're saying, is that the Chinese lack empathy towards strangers and an internal moral system. Instead, they are guided by external morals, which can change depending on the situation. Also, the Chinese have been governed by despots for the entirety of their history. Each emperor was a Despot, although expected to rule for the people, his will guided by the Mandate of Heaven.

[The Lawspeaker]

Quite ignorant and hypocritical too, apparently.

[lonewolfcypriot]

I wonder if these men know any kung-fu