Why the Outrage? ‘Jewish Power’ Party Is the New Norm in Israeli Politics

[The Lawspeaker]

Nope. Sorry to dissapoint you but I never voted for your politicians who brought in refugees. Arabs are 20% of our population, so if you want the same rule you're going to have to really tone down your immigration laws.

Actually: those were pretty much selected by Israeli lobby groups here. It's just like in America where you can't get elected without the AIPAC's support. So, in other words, you country did elect our politicians.

[ModernMaskil]

Actually: those were pretty much selected by Israeli lobby groups here. It's just like in America where you can't get elected without the AIPAC's support. So, in other words, you country did elect our politicians.

Assuming The Netherlands is a democracy you can very easily get elected. You enter your name as a candidate, and then people can vote for you. Finally De Joden will not be in control of the brave whites in The Netherlands and the rest of the world fill follow and be free at last. Quite simple, really.

Are you going to address my other point?

[The Lawspeaker]

Assuming The Netherlands is a democracy you can very easily get elected. You enter your name as a candidate, and then people can vote for you. Finally De Joden will not be in control of the brave whites in The Netherlands and the rest of the world fill follow and be free at last. Quite simple, really.

Are you going to address my other point?

It doesn't work that way. I am still coming to the other point but the Netherlands doesn't have such a system - indeed in the Netherlands, it's the party that places you on a list if you're party big wig and it's very difficult to run for election as an independent unless you have a ton of money behind you. In the Netherlands, only 2 percent of a population is a member of a political party, of which less than 100 people set the national lists and that's done behind closed doors (without any voices from the general party wide congress - let alone the population) and the party wide congress only has the right to approve or reject the list. With a constitution dating back to 1848 (which has seen some amendments and revisions here and there), we are, pretty much, a country with a democratic deficit in that, while the right to stand for election is enshrined, there is no transparency in how people are elected, also not in how seats are divided. There are no referendums and executive positions (be it burgomaster, aldermen, King's Commissioner, or minister) are appointed by the same cabinet that got itself appointed by the party big wigs that promote each other to party lists.

As for the other one: there is a bit of difference between Israel and the Netherlands: you are effectively invading Palestine which means that there are a lot of Arabs around who are at home there. This is their country. In the Netherlands, we are in our own country and thus everyone foreign is foreign. Effectively: you're the foreigners in Palestine.

[ModernMaskil]

It doesn't work that way. I am still coming to the other point but the Netherlands doesn't have such a system - indeed in the Netherlands, it's the party that places you on a list if you're party big wig and it's very difficult to run for election as an independent unless you have a ton of money behind you. In the Netherlands, only 2 percent of a population is a member of a political party, of which less than 100 people set the national lists and that's done behind closed doors (without any voices from the general party wide congress - let alone the population) and the party wide congress only has the right to approve or reject the list. With a constitution dating back to 1848 (which has seen some amendments and revisions here and there), we are, pretty much, a country with a democratic deficit in that, while the right to stand for election is enshrined, there is no transparency in how people are elected, also not in how seats are divided. There are no referendums and executive positions (be it burgomaster, aldermen, King's Commissioner, or minister) are appointed by the same cabinet that got itself appointed by the party big wigs that promote each other to party lists.

As for the other one: there is a bit of difference between Israel and the Netherlands: you are effectively invading Palestine which means that there are a lot of Arabs around who are at home there. This is their country. In the Netherlands, we are in our own country and thus everyone foreign is foreign. Effectively: you're the foreigners in Palestine.

Thanks for the explanation on the electoral system in place in The Netherlands. Regardless, for whatever reason I doubt the Israeli government (or in fact more than a few hundred Jews worldwide) has any incentive to control a small Western European country without much significance in our corner of the world.

As for us being the foreigners here, no. We are neither foreigners nor completely natives. Our culture has majorly significant indigenous components (religion, language, etc) that the Arab culture, diluted from its Arabian origin or not does not have.
If you are speaking from a genetic perspective that's a fair argument. Palestinians descend primarily from native Levantines. So do Mizrahi Jews. And it would appear the Mizrahi Jews feel a bit closer to us than to Palestinians.
So that raises the question who is native? Both groups. Neither, perhaps. Calling us invaders shows either a lack of awareness and knowledge (that is, ignorance) or is a purposeful lie.

[The Lawspeaker]

Thanks for the explanation on the electoral system in place in The Netherlands. Regardless, for whatever reason I doubt the Israeli government (or in fact more than a few hundred Jews worldwide) has any incentive to control a small Western European country without much significance in our corner of the world.

As for us being the foreigners here, no. We are neither foreigners nor completely natives. Our culture has majorly significant indigenous components (religion, language, etc) that the Arab culture, diluted from its Arabian origin or not does not have.
If you are speaking from a genetic perspective that's a fair argument. Palestinians descend primarily from native Levantines. So do Mizrahi Jews. And it would appear the Mizrahi Jews feel a bit closer to us than to Palestinians.
So that raises the question who is native? Both groups. Neither, perhaps. Calling us invaders shows either a lack of awareness and knowledge (that is, ignorance) or is a purposeful lie.

Apart from the Mizhari. You, simply, aren't native to the region. It would be like the Dutch going back to Scania in Sweden and chucking out the Swedes because we left that area over 2000 years ago. That's pretty much what Israel is. We share a lot of cultural items with the Swedes as well. We're both Germanics but we're not from Scania... we're from this damp piece of real estate at the very end of a couple of major rivers.

The Israeli have every interest to control both America and European countries because those serve as a lifeline. In fact: they get a great deal of money from countries like Germany (including free submarines) and the U.S.

[ModernMaskil]

Apart from the Mizhari. You, simply, aren't native to the region. It would be like the Dutch going back to Scania in Sweden and chucking out the Swedes because we left that area over 2000 years ago. That's pretty much what Israel is. We share a lot of cultural items with the Swedes as well. We're both Germanics but we're not from Scania... we're from this damp piece of real estate at the very end of a couple of major rivers.

The Israeli have every interest to control both America and European countries because those serve as a lifeline. In fact: they get a great deal of money from countries like Germany (including free submarines) and the U.S.

Then answer me this. Where are we native to? Poland. Nope. Germany/Ashkenaz? Nope. Italy? Nope nope nope.
Make a god damn decision. Are we Europeans or not?
Why apart from Mizrahim? They have also been gone for 2000 years.

Money, 90% of which is invested right back in to the arms development programs of these countries. We make technology - missile defense systems, drones and the rest. All into the pockets of the Germans and Americans. They don't give us shit for free, it's a strategic alliance.

[The Lawspeaker]

Then answer me this. Where are we native to? Poland. Nope. Germany/Ashkenaz? Nope. Italy? Nope nope nope.
Make a god damn decision. Are we Europeans or not?
Why apart from Mizrahim? They have also been gone for 2000 years.

Money, 90% of which is invested right back in to the arms development programs of these countries. We make technology - missile defense systems, drones and the rest. All into the pockets of the Germans and Americans. They don't give us shit for free, it's a strategic alliance.

Jews have been called a people without a home for a good reason. The problem is that they move from place to place and never a real loyalty to these countries. The Jews could have become European but they themselves made the choice not to be. And no: I wouldn't call it much of an alliance when Israel received, from the U.S alone, 24 billion USD over the course of 8 years leading up to 2016.

[ModernMaskil]

Jews have been called a people without a home for a good reason. The problem is that they move from place to place and never a real loyalty to these countries. The Jews could have become European but they themselves made the choice not to be. And no: I wouldn't call it much of an alliance when Israel received, from the U.S alone, 24 billion USD over the course of 8 years leading up to 2016.

I had a feeling you would say that. In which case you have no right to call us invaders. We have a right to self determination because whether you like it or not we are people, from Persian to German "origin" Jews are a nation.

Again, 85% (not 90%, apologies) of the aid must be spent in the United States, and the American government as per the deal has a say in any weapons deals Israel makes not through them. The aid is 1% of our GDP. Most Israelis would rather it be stopped.

[Nazarene]

I love Jewish people, some were assholes in their host nations and some were very good neighbours. The Jews of Mosul were good people and they will remain forever in my heart as brothers and sisters.

That being said, I strongly do not agree with Jews on religion. And I also think that Israel has done a lot of dodgy shit and this really needs to stop before someone gets sick of it.

[ModernMaskil]

I love Jewish people, some were assholes in their host nations and some were very good neighbours. The Jews of Mosul were good people and they will remain forever in my heart as brothers and sisters.

That being said, I strongly do not agree with Jews on religion. And I also think that Israel has done a lot of dodgy shit and this really needs to stop before someone gets sick of it.

I don't agree with Jews on religion either
I also think Israel has done a lot of dodgy shit, I've never denied this. Only that we either somehow rule the world or that we are all despicable horned devil's who stab Palestinian babies day and night.