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Thread: 23andme results of North-West African Jews (Haplogroups+Autosomal)

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    Default 23andme results of North-West African Jews (Haplogroups+Autosomal)

    History of Jews in North Africa-

    Some Jewish settlements in North Africa date back to pre-Roman times, possibly correlating with the late Punic settlements in the area.
    many Jews also settled amongst Berbers and adopted their languages (some berber tribes fully converted to judaism).

    In the seventh century, the Jewish population was augmented by Iberian Jewish immigrants, who, fleeing from the persecutions of the Visigothic king Sisebut and his successors, escaped to the Maghreb and settled in the local Byzantine Empire. The much greater immigration of Sephardic Jews took place between 1391 and 1492, by the Alhambra decree edict of expulsion, and persecution in Spain and Portugal.
    Maghrebi Jews largely mixed with the newly arrived Sephardic Jews, beginning from the 13th century until the 16th century, eventually being overwhelmed by Sephardim and embracing the Sephardic Jewish identity in most cases.

    Algerian Jews


    #1


    MtDNA: HV1c (Jewish)


    #2



    Mtdna: K2a5 (North West Europe)
    YDNA: E-L29 (levant)


    #3



    Mtdna: HV1c (Jewish)
    YDNA: R-M417 (R1a subclade)


    #4



    Mtdna: HV0 (Western Europe)
    YDNA: G-Z3428 (Iberia)


    #5


    Mtdna: H4a1b (Western Europe)
    YDNA: T-L208 (Probably Iberian)


    #6


    Mtdna: H7c (Near East)
    YDNA: G-Z18064.2






    Tunisian Jews

    Tunisian Jews have more Italian-Jewish ancestry from Livorno than actual sephardic ancestry so they will score high Ashkenazi and Italian and lower Iberian

    #1


    Mtdna: K1a (European)

    YDNA: R-CTS1843


    #2


    Mtdna: H1 (Europe)
    YDNA: J-P58 (South Levant)


    Moroccan Jews

    #1


    YDNA: J-L26 (Prediasporal Jewish)
    Mtdna: H1e (Basque)


    #2



    MtDNA: H
    YDNA: Q-YP1236 (Prediasporal Judean, found among Mizrahim, Ashkenazim and Sephardim)


    #3



    MtDNA: H2 (Europe)
    YDNA: R-L23 (Western Europe)


    #4




    MtDNA: K1a3a1a (Western Europe)
    YDNA: J-CTS5368



    #5



    MtDNA: X2b1 (Kazakhstan)
    YDNA: E-M183 (North-West Africa)



    #6



    MtDNA: H1o (Ashkenazi and Moroccan Jewish)
    YDNA: G-M406 (East-Med, Europe/Levant)


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    MtDNA: T2c1b(pan Mediterranean)


    #8



    MtDNA: HV1c (Jewish)
    YDNA: R-DF98 (Atlantic Europe)


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    MtDNA: HV0 (Western Europe)
    YDNA: J-M319 (Levant and Greece, J2 subclade)
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    To Conclude- North West African Jews are very heterogeneous population (vary in percentage for each population) descendants mainly from Italians, Judeans, native Amazigh and Iberians. Makes sense considering the immigration waves from Europe in medieval periods.

    I have more results but I thought that would be enough. If you want me to post more then ask here.


    BTW my grandmother results (Moroccan-Algerian Jew)




    Maternal Haplogroup : HV1c (Jewish)
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    Great thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemgrant View Post
    Great thread.
    Thank you. I know many people were trying to find North African Jewish results before. In the internet you will find maybe 3 23andme results before my thread. Especially when we are talking about haplogroups.

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    Very cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp_loa View Post
    Thank you. I know many people were trying to find North African Jewish results before. In the internet you will find maybe 3 23andme results before my thread. Especially when we are talking about haplogroups.
    Yes, I was looking for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemgrant View Post
    Yes, I was looking for it.
    And what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp_loa View Post
    And what do you think?
    I'm gonna test my mother with 23andme because I score 7-8.33% Moroccan Jew on Global25 and have tons of Jewish mathes on gedmatch and MyHeritage, yet I do not score Jewish on AncestryDNA, MyHeritage or DNA.land.

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    Very well done thread. I'm surprised at the normalcy of North African Jews scoring <50% European. Makes me wonder how much Ashkenazim would score if we were broken down to ancestral components on 23andme.

    I'm also surprised at the degree of Maghrebi ancestry, among some Jews it appears to even eclipse the West Asian ancestry.
    "Imagine having European and Middle Eastern genetics and ancestors, but being persecuted by both for not having enough of either."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernMaskil View Post
    Very well done thread. I'm surprised at the normalcy of North African Jews scoring <50% European. Makes me wonder how much Ashkenazim would score if we were broken down to ancestral components on 23andme.

    I'm also surprised at the degree of Maghrebi ancestry, among some Jews it appears to even eclipse the West Asian ancestry.
    The 50%+ area is not true for all areas. Tunisian Jews and Libyan Jews don't score very high European.
    For Algerian and Moroccan Jews - Northern you go in the country more European you'll score. I think it peaks in Oran in Algeria and in Tanger-Tetouan for Morocco. There it's not extremely Atypical to score even 60%+ European with a significant Spanish (Conversos escaping to North Africa).

    In the southern parts of Morocco you can find Moroccan Jews with only 20% European.

    Take a look at this Moroccan Jew-


    Although her surname is Toledano (Toledo=Sephardic)


    On the other hand... This Algerian-Moroccan-Tunisian Jew is extremely European (Saw her picture, she also looks very much like North Italian to me.. very fair skin and blue eyes and Alpine features.. just she has curly hair like a good Jewish)



    Both are extremely Atypical.

    I don't think it's possible to know how much European Ashkenazim would score on 23andme as they also mixed with other populations (possibly with even different types of Italians). I guess more than 50% (although the North shift to Sephardim is mainly because of some Germanic-Slavic mix and not % of European, and the south shift that Berber ancestry is causing because of SSA and high Red sea)
    All I know is that in Israel Moroccan&Algerian Jews are considered "Mizrahim" even tho the distance between MJ to Ashkenazim is about 7-9 on gedmatch while the distance of MJ to Iraqi jews or proper Mizrahim is 30+++

    About the Megharbi component, full Berber tribes converted to Judaism prior to the rise of Islam so I am not that surprised it's sometimes higher than the West Asian levantine.
    Last edited by Sp_loa; 03-08-2019 at 09:14 PM.

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