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Thread: 23andme results of North-West African Jews (Haplogroups+Autosomal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp_loa View Post
    The 50%+ area is not true for all areas. Tunisian Jews and Libyan Jews don't score very high European.
    For Algerian and Moroccan Jews - Northern you go in the country more European you'll score. I think it peaks in Oran in Algeria and in Tanger-Tetouan for Morocco. There it's not extremely Atypical to score even 60%+ European with a significant Spanish (Conversos escaping to North Africa).

    In the southern parts of Morocco you can find Moroccan Jews with only 20% European.

    Take a look at this Moroccan Jew-


    Although her surname is Toledano (Toledo=Sephardic)


    On the other hand... This Algerian-Moroccan-Tunisian Jew is extremely European (Saw her picture, she also looks very much like North Italian to me.. very fair skin and blue eyes and Alpine features.. just she has curly hair like a good Jewish)



    Both are extremely Atypical.

    I don't think it's possible to know how much European Ashkenazim would score on 23andme as they also mixed with other populations (possibly with even different types of Italians). I guess more than 50% (although the North shift to Sephardim is mainly because of some Germanic-Slavic mix and not % of European)
    All I know is that in Israel Moroccan&Algerian Jews are considered "Mizrahim" even tho the distance between MJ to Ashkenazim is about 7-9 on gedmatch while the distance of MJ to Iraqi jews or proper Mizrahim is 30+++

    About the Megharbi component, full Berber tribes converted to Judaism prior to the rise of Islam so I am not that surprised it's sometimes higher than the West Asian levantine.
    81.2% North African, 3.1% Western Asia
    God damn, that's a true full on descendant of converts. I know you said it's atypical but damn.



    Though we plot north of Sephardim that is because of more northern components and weirdly not because we are more much more European then them as you said - we mixed with Poles and Russians and you with Meds. We still both come out around 50/50 give or take.

    Yeah I always found that strange once I discovered Moroccans are damn close to us. I think it's because we have that 10-15% admixture that makes 1 in 6 Ashkenazim look like the child of Hitler so that's the stereotype we got stuck with, while Moroccans have very little of that as they only mixed with other Meds.
    "Imagine having European and Middle Eastern genetics and ancestors, but being persecuted by both for not having enough of either."

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    Good thread, OP.

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    BTW 23andme is one of the most accurate company cause unlike ancestryDNA, LivingDNA or other companies they know to separate levantine from Italian.
    Lebanese and Syrians score 95%+ MENA on 23andme (while on AncestryDNA all MENAS get 30% Italian which is impossible) , so we know for sure that no levantine is eclipsed in the Italian category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernMaskil View Post
    God damn, that's a true full on descendant of converts. I know you said it's atypical but damn.

    Though we plot north of Sephardim that is because of more northern components and weirdly not because we are more much more European then them as you said - we mixed with Poles and Russians and you with Meds. We still both come out around 50/50 give or take.

    Yeah I always found that strange once I discovered Moroccans are damn close to us. I think it's because we have that 10-15% admixture that makes 1 in 6 Ashkenazim look like the child of Hitler so that's the stereotype we got stuck with, while Moroccans have very little of that as they only mixed with other Meds.
    I know more than a few Moroccan Jews that can pass well above France. Few people in my family as well.
    Although It's true I know much more Ashkenazim that are Borreby/Brunn/Sub-Nordic/North Atlantic. One of my friends is 75% Ashkenazi (Germany), 25% Sephardi (Bulgaria) and he and all of his siblings look English as fuck (2 Borrebies, 1 Brunn and 1 North-Atlantid) all with red/blonde/light brown hair and light blue eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenix View Post
    Good thread, OP.
    Thanks! any thoughts?

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    Well done and very appreciated thread

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    Thanks for this. I've found myself not once trying to unsuccessfully find Maghrebi Jewish results. Could be cool to see some Tunisian and Libyan results as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waam View Post
    Thanks for this. I've found myself not once trying to unsuccessfully find Maghrebi Jewish results. Could be cool to see some Tunisian and Libyan results as well.

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    They don't match my grandmother so I have no way to find them. My grandmother matches only 4 full Tunisian Jews and 7 full Algerian Jews. Luckily there are 150 full Moroccan Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FilhoV View Post
    Well done and very appreciated thread
    Thanks .Any thoughts about ancestry composition/Haplogroups? did something surprised you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp_loa View Post
    They don't match my grandmother so I have no way to find them. My grandmother matches only 4 full Tunisian Jews and 7 full Algerian Jews. Luckily there are 150 full Moroccan Jews.
    Yeah of course, I imagined. They are separate communities after all.

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