23andme results of North-West African Jews (Haplogroups+Autosomal)

[Sp_loa]

Atlas mountains Jews:

1.


MTDNA: H4a1 (Spain and Portugal)
YDNA: J-P58 (Arabia)


2. Jew from Beni mellal -


YDNA- G-M406 (mainly Southern Italy)
mtdna- H1e (Basque)


3.


Ydna- E-V13 (Europe)
Mtdna- K1c2a (Ireland)


4.


Mtdna- U4a2a (Slavo-Germanic)


5. Errachedia and Midelt provinces (South-Central Morocco).Very atypical results- pure mix of Berber and black.



YDNA- E-M183 (North African Berber)
mtdna- H1

6.

YDNA- G-PF3345 (Europe and Western Asia)

mtdna- I4


7.


YDNA- G-Z348 (Iberia)
Mtdna- K1a3a1a (Western Europe)

8.



YDNA- G-L1266 (Europe and Caucasus)

Mtdna- K1c2a (Ireland)

9.



YDNA- J-M267 (Middle East)

mtdna- H


10.


MtDNA- HV0 (Iberia)

11.


Mtdna- H1


12.


Mtdna: H4a1b (Spain and Portugal)


13.


Mtdna:
YDNA: T-L208 (North Africa and the Middle east)
Mtdna: HV1a2 (MENA)


14.


YDNA- E-V257 (North African Berber)
mtdna- U5b2b (Western European- Italy, France, NW Europe)


15.



Ydna- J-M172 (Western Asia and the Caucasus)
Mtdna- HV0 (Iberia)


16.
Very levantine

YDNA- Q-M378 (prediasopral Judean)
MTDNA- H4a1b (Spain and Portugal)


17.


YDNA- J-L26 (J2 subclade)
MTDNA- K1a3a1a (Western Europe)

[Sp_loa]

Jews from TangIer-Tetouan (Spanish speaking Jews, don't identify as Moroccan Jews BUT AS Andalusian)

1.



YDNA- J-L26 (levant)

MTDNA- H1e



2.


YDNA- J-M319 (Middle east)

Mtdna- H1e (Basque)

3.


YDNA- R-U152 (France and Northern Italy)
Mtdna- H14 (Levant)

[Sp_loa]

To conclude this thread- Moroccan Jews are a diverse group of people, descendants from 4 main different groups- Italians, Judeans from the Levant, Local Amazigh Berbers and Spaniards from Iberia.

Sephardi Jews settled mainly in the big Northern cities leading to more Europeanized genetic in those areas.


Average Jew from Tangier-Tetouan would be strongly Iberian, and would score anywhere around 60% or even close to 70% European.
Average Jew from Fez-Meknes would score anywhere around 50-55% European
Average Jew from the Northern of the Atlas mountains would be around 40% European
Average Jew from Casablanca would be around 40% European too.
Jews from South of the Atlas mountains would score around 30% European.

Jews from the very South of Morocco would score less than 25% European.

Berber admix increases as you go South as well.

Here you go- Moroccan Jews are the most diverse group of Jews in my opinion- autosomally, in haplogroups (in the north they are more J and R1b, in the south more G) and phenotypically (anything from levant looking, berber looking, Southern European looking to Western and even NW European looking).

[waam]

Great post. Thanks. That third black Jew was certainly a surprise to see. I wonder what they look like and whether they are supposedly fully Moroccan Jewish or whether they are mixed to begin with.

Also interesting is how much of the North African and Arabian is actually Amazigh and how much of it is Levantine related, too bad they can't break it any further.

[ModernMaskil]

Still think it's crazy how so many have more Maghrebi DNA than Levantine. Perfectly understandable but not something I ever expected before I saw this thread.

[Sp_loa]

Great post. Thanks. That third black Jew was certainly a surprise to see. I wonder what they look like and whether they are supposedly fully Moroccan Jewish or whether they are mixed to begin with.

Also interesting is how much of the North African and Arabian is actually Amazigh and how much of it is Levantine related, too bad they can't break it any further.

Mostly Amazigh. levantine group (Syrians, Lebanese and Syrian Jews) usually score max 10% North African&Arabian, but 23andme tend to exaggerate the Megrahbi component. My grandmother first scored 27% and in the beta she is 21%, and her levantine increases. I believe 20% is around right. It will be interesting to see how the percentages will change with future updates.

[waam]

Mostly Amazigh. levantine group (Syrians, Lebanese and Syrian Jews) usually score max 10% North African&Arabian, but 23andme tend to exaggerate the Megrahbi component. My grandmother first scored 27% and in the beta she is 21%, and her levantine increases. I believe 20% is around right. It will be interesting to see how the percentages will change with future updates.

Iirc there was a Christian member here from Bethlehem that scored 40 something percent North African and Arabian, relating it to Jordan. So unless his results changed dramatically (which I have no idea) then there's still some overlap between the two clusters.

[talombo]

Turkish jew for comparison:

[Sp_loa]

Iirc there was a Christian member here from Bethlehem that scored 40 something percent North African and Arabian, relating it to Jordan. So unless his results changed dramatically (which I have no idea) then there's still some overlap between the two clusters.

You are right, but I saw Syrian Jew scoring only 5% North African& Arabian and his YDNA is Berber (E-M81), probably from Al-Andlus. I'm pretty sure in the future 23andme will separate this category to two different categories- North African (Berber) and Arabian related ancestry separately. We will see then.

[Sp_loa]

Turkish jew for comparison:

hmm this Turkish Jew also scores North African and Arabian. maybe part of it is levantine related ancestry.

Anyways to this day I don't understand why Turkish Jews score lower European than the average North/Central Moroccan Jew. I think it's because larger conversos migration waves (some were almost full Iberian by blood) were to Northern Morocco than to the Ottoman Empire. Tetouani Jews score minimum 25% Iberian, Turkish jews around 4%....