Goths

[Slavic Italian]

Hopefully some ancient Ostrogoth samples will be found eventually.

I think this is VERY significant. They just might be today's Russians/Ukrainians/Poles. Remember the early Slavs did nothing but fight each other. Warriors do not change. These facts are strongly causing me to lean to them being todays Slavs. I also think the Slavs came from Europe and went to the Mid East and then to Black Sea area. I do not think they originated there. Then they migrated west from there.

Some of the autochthonous elements persist, and become even more widespread, after the demise of the Gothic elite – a phenomenon associated with the rise and expansion of the early Slavs.


Other influences, such as a minority of burials containing weapons, are seen from the Przeworsk and Zarubinec cultures. The latter has been connected with early Slavs.[

[Armenian Bishop]

The Goths & Visigoths backstabbed the Roman Empire. The Goths approached the Roman Frontier because they had beaten a retreat in the face of hostile forces from the East and North. They pleaded for sanctuary from hostile forces that threatened them, and the Romans let them through the gates into their empire.

Unfortunately, a tragic serious of misunderstandings, abuses and differences led to Gothic Uprisings. It's true that the Romans treated the Goths harshly, and their attitude was myopic, as unfolding events would prove. Ultimately, the Gothic Uprisings succeeded in ripping apart the underbelly of the Roman Empire, something that wouldn't have been so easy if the Romans hadn't let them into the Empire, in the first place.

[Dick]

Hopefully some ancient Ostrogoth samples will be found eventually.

There is gothic samples from Poland already found. I think One was Ukrainian like autosmally. Peterski knows more or just google wielbark goths dna

[War Chef]

I think this is VERY significant. They just might be today's Russians/Ukrainians/Poles. Remember the early Slavs did nothing but fight each other. Warriors do not change. These facts are strongly causing me to lean to them being todays Slavs. I also think the Slavs came from Europe and went to the Mid East and then to Black Sea area. I do not think they originated there. Then they migrated west from there.

Some of the autochthonous elements persist, and become even more widespread, after the demise of the Gothic elite – a phenomenon associated with the rise and expansion of the early Slavs.


Other influences, such as a minority of burials containing weapons, are seen from the Przeworsk and Zarubinec cultures. The latter has been connected with early Slavs.[

Lol mofugga you think us Slavs cannot fight without being part Germanic? GTFO with that

[Peterski]

There is gothic samples from Poland already found.

They are just "screening results" - extremely poor quality (low number of SNPs).

We have to wait until they finish doing proper genotyping and re-upload the files.

But there is one Crimean Goth:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...th-on-GEDmatch

[Dick]

They are just "screening results" - extremely poor quality (low number of SNPs).

We have to wait until they finish doing proper genotyping and re-upload the files.

But there is one Crimean Goth:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...th-on-GEDmatch

Obviously a slave girl. Crimea was a Greek colony

[Peterski]

Obviously a slave girl. Crimea was a Greek colony

You just can't accept that Goths could pass in a Sicilian Nightclub!

[Arhat]

These are the Germanic tribes that pretty much led to the fall of Rome or had significant influence in its decline. Their origins somewhat a mystery. It looks to me they were most likely ancestors of the Prussians and today's east Germans and even more likely the early Slavs. Discuss.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths

That is a very interesting topic. I would also mention Bastarnae which were East Germanic tribes living in East Europe already prior to Goths. This people had also celtic, thracian and scythian-sarmatian influences. They maybe also carried Proto-I2a-Din clades. Today the closest related basal clades are found in Scandinavia

[Cumansky]

That is a very interesting topic. I would also mention Bastarnae which were East Germanic tribes living in East Europe already prior to Goths. This people had also celtic, thracian and scythian-sarmatian influences. They maybe also carried Proto-I2a-Din clades. Today the closest related basal clades are found in Scandinavia

Basal (origin) I2 found Frankthi cave eastern Peloponnese, Greece

Those Motala Sweden kits I2 Slav brothers we don't match those Sweden kits, you talking pure shit as usual

[Ayetooey]

Basal (origin) I2 found Frankthi cave eastern Peloponnese, Greece

Those Motala Sweden kits I2 brothers we don't match those Sweden kits, you talking pure shit as usual

Basal I2 is way back dude and ancestral to all I2, the Motala Sweden and the Norwegian I2a1b kits are the immediate ancestor of i2a1b-dinaric which implies recent northern origin.