Slavic race

[Jana]

The distance on k13 between Serbs and Bulgarians is larger than the distance between Irish and Southern Swedes. You can imagine how large the distance is between more geographically distant Slavic groups. Slavic is a linguistic category which originated from a distinct group of tribes ancient. These tribes have long dispersed and mixed into various different peoples, and its incorrect to consider these people as the same in 2021.

I wouldn't say so. Slavic is a ethno-linguistic group. All Slavic speaking groups have a degree of early Slavic ancestry and thus common roots (this is best visible in IBD sharing), in various proportions.

Slavs are a European ethno-linguistic group of people who speak the various Slavic languages of the larger Balto-Slavic linguistic group of the Indo-European languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#...an%20languages.

[Ayetooey]

I wouldn't say so. Slavic is a ethno-linguistic group. All Slavic speaking groups have a degree of early Slavic ancestry and thus common roots (this is best visible in IBD sharing), in various proportions.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#...an%20languages.

I don't deny this shared ancient ancestry of course, its as you said visible in IBD and also in Y dna but the distances are too large to mean anything these days IMO. A Czech is closer to a German, or a Serb to a Romanian, or a Belorussian to a Lithuanian, than they are to each other. These people don't look the same, or plot the same, or even act the same, regardless of their shared ancient ancestry. I guess it just depends on your point of view and what you value.

[Jana]

I don't deny this shared ancient ancestry of course, its as you said visible in IBD and also in Y dna but the distances are too large to mean anything these days IMO. A Czech is closer to a German, or a Serb to a Romanian, or a Belorussian to a Lithuanian, than they are to each other. These people don't look the same, or plot the same, or even act the same, regardless of their shared ancient ancestry. I guess it just depends on your point of view and what you value.

People are always (or mostly) closest to neighbours regardless of linguistic affinity. However thing about Slavs is that literally half of Europe has some degree of Slavic ancestry today. They spread rapidly and in masses, ofcourse assimilating various non Slavic groups in the process. A Bulgarian shares much more recent ancestry with Russian than Irish with Swede despite Irish are much closer to Swedes autosomaly than Russians and Bulgarians are.

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Slavs = r1a + I2a1

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[Ayetooey]

People are always (or mostly) closest to neighbours regardless of linguistic affinity. However thing about Slavs is that literally half of Europe has some degree of Slavic ancestry today. They spread rapidly and in masses, ofcourse assimilating various non Slavic groups in the process. A Bulgarian shares much more recent ancestry with Russian than Irish with Swede despite Irish are much closer to Swedes autosomaly than Russians and Bulgarians are.

That's true, I would just argue that the two share too much unrelated ancestry at this point to be referred to as the same. But them being part of a shared ethnolinguistic category more broadly is something I wouldn't deny.

[Jana]

That's true, I would just argue that the two share too much unrelated ancestry at this point to be referred to as the same. But them being part of a shared ethnolinguistic category more broadly is something I wouldn't deny.

Fully agree.

[Jana]

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[Aldaris]

I don't deny this shared ancient ancestry of course, its as you said visible in IBD and also in Y dna but the distances are too large to mean anything these days IMO. A Czech is closer to a German, or a Serb to a Romanian, or a Belorussian to a Lithuanian, than they are to each other. These people don't look the same, or plot the same, or even act the same, regardless of their shared ancient ancestry. I guess it just depends on your point of view and what you value.

A Dutch is closer to a French and a Swede is closer to a Finn then the former are to each other. You can play this game with every ethnic concept, so you either have to ditch all of them or take other things than PCA plot into account. How we generally understand ethnicity is closer to the latter one. And welcome back, while we are there.

[Decius]

You Slavonic people mainly belong to the Neo Danubian, East Baltid and Ladogan.

Bullshit

[Chocolate_Hound]

There is no Slavic race. Mediterranean Slavs are pretty damn different from northern ones.