Curses! Brits and Americans could have told Stalin to stop at the Polish border!

[Silver Lining]

Today I have learned something scary. A great historian and anthropologist called Ingo Bading wrote his magister ("master") thesis on the topic "How did Stalin reach the center of Europe?". It offered me a totally new perspective on WW2. Apparently, Stalin was ready to stop at the Polish Eastern border, so he would not have pushed into Central Europe had the Western Allies told him not to do. Not even that, [i]he was even encouraged to do it[i]. Truth is, the USSR was pretty much broken in 1945 and only held together by Western help (no big secret here so far, they would have collapsed without lend-lease). Also, the Czech worm called Benes actually wanted the Soviets march into the Czechoslovaki and South-Eastern Germany.

And why is it? Because Germany was the main target, no one in the West cared about the USSR rising (the USSR was always more of a paper tiger than anything and was NEVER strong enough to challenge the West in a serious conflict). Benes and the Anglo-Saxon leaders actually wanted the Soviet Union in Central Europe so they could split up Germany and prohibit future German influence in the Eastern Europe.

Not even that only. The more insidious thing was that they knew that the planned ethnic cleansing of Germans in the East could ONLY happen under Soviet control. The US-American army and their leaders would have never allowed that and would have rebelled against their own political leadership. In fact, in Sudetenland the American soldiers were actively protecting German citiziens from Czech robbings and other physical attacks.

So the fact is, Stalin was SHIT-SCARED that the Western Allies would turn on him in 1945, especially since they already owned the nuclear bomb and the Soviet army and economy was fundamentally overexhausted by 1945. What you have heard about Stalin wanting to reach the Atlantic ocean and the Allies rushing out to prevent this is wrong. In fact, the Allies could have started a major attack on the European continent already in 1943 over the Balkans.

[Tong]

not that simple

[Silver Lining]

not that simple

it is. Brits prolonged the war to kill as many Germans as possible. Not even out of "revenge", but to reduce German geopolitical power.

[Slavic Italian]

Today I have learned something scary. A great historian and anthropologist called Ingo Bading wrote his magister ("master") thesis on the topic "How did Stalin reach the center of Europe?". It offered me a totally new perspective on WW2. Apparently, Stalin was ready to stop at the Polish Eastern border, so he would not have pushed into Central Europe had the Western Allies told him not to do. Not even that, [i]he was even encouraged to do it[i]. Truth is, the USSR was pretty much broken in 1945 and only held together by Western help (no big secret here so far, they would have collapsed without lend-lease). Also, the Czech worm called Benes actually wanted the Soviets march into the Czechoslovaki and South-Eastern Germany.

And why is it? Because Germany was the main target, no one in the West cared about the USSR rising (the USSR was always more of a paper tiger than anything and was NEVER strong enough to challenge the West in a serious conflict). Benes and the Anglo-Saxon leaders actually wanted the Soviet Union in Central Europe so they could split up Germany and prohibit future German influence in the Eastern Europe.

Not even that only. The more insidious thing was that they knew that the planned ethnic cleansing of Germans in the East could ONLY happen under Soviet control. The US-American army and their leaders would have never allowed that and would have rebelled against their own political leadership. In fact, in Sudetenland the American soldiers were actively protecting German citiziens from Czech robbings and other physical attacks.

So the fact is, Stalin was SHIT-SCARED that the Western Allies would turn on him in 1945, especially since they already owned the nuclear bomb and the Soviet army and economy was fundamentally overexhausted by 1945. What you have heard about Stalin wanting to reach the Atlantic ocean and the Allies rushing out to prevent this is wrong. In fact, the Allies could have started a major attack on the European continent already in 1943 over the Balkans.

You never heard of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

[Peterski]

it is. Brits prolonged the war to kill as many Germans as possible.

No, it was done just to let you know that you lost. Because in 1918 the Allies stopped at the German border, and many Germans started believing in conspiracy theories about betrayal, thinking that they were never defeated (because the Allies agreed to sign a ceasefire instead of overrunning you).

Frontline on March 15th 1945 - pretty much they have not entered Germany yet (fast forward 2 months and everything is overran):

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Atlas...August_15_1945

[Slavic Italian]

No, it was done just to let you know that you lost. Because in 1918 the Allies stopped at the German border, and many Germans started believing in conspiracy theories about betrayal, thinking that they were never defeated (because the Allies agreed to sign a ceasefire instead of overrunning you):



Frontline on March 1st 1945 - pretty much they have not entered Germany yet (fast forward 2 months and everything is overran):



Frontline on March 15th 1945:

Had the Allies stopped the Germans would have prepared for round three a decade later. Stubborn people they are.

[Tong]

it is. Brits prolonged the war to kill as many Germans as possible. Not even out of "revenge", but to reduce German geopolitical power.

...no they didn't you fucking moron

[Slavic Italian]

Some of you are ruled by pure emotion. Argue your points like adults.