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    I stumbled upon this video of a German-born Vietnamese girl (without the Vietnamese nationality) from parents who had lived in Czechoslovakia before ending up in the Netherlands. They had been here since 2005 and since the parents were Vietnamese born they have received Vietnamese papers which paved the way for Dutch citizenship. However, their daughter was born in Germany and thus the Vietnamese authorities refuse to recognize her and grant her Vietnamese citizenship.. because of this she also can't apply for Dutch citizenship (but she is in the country legally) or even be recognized as stateless as a sound legal framework is missing. According to the Dutch National Government's website, some 4000 people in this country are stateless because "their" former government refuses to take its responsibility. We're having a great number of people in this country who, frankly, should have become citizens and who still retain their former passports but there are thus also people who now land between two stools because of bureaucracy. How is one to deal with matters of statelessness ?



    Should a government

    • Pass a bill and naturalise those people ? Particularly in cases where parents have already gained citizenship and where there is a strong indication that the person has been assimilated into the culture ?
    • Deport them (but where to ?)
    • Pass a bill for that naturalises all stateless persons ?
    • Look the other way ?




    My personal sentiment going for option 1: it may be clear that her (and people like her) are well assimilated (particularly if it's all they have ever known) and do, clearly, not form a security risk in any way, shape or form. Even more so in the case when the parents have already become citizens and where people just fall through the cracks by no fault of their own. I think the government should act and pass a bill in which such individuals who have been raised here legally and shown a tendency towards assimilation but are stateless for no fault of their own are to become Dutch citizens. It's a small group of people, so I am sure this can easily be handled. We can compensate in other ways by stripping those off their passports who have become Dutch citizens but who have refused to give up their old nationality or who have shown no inclination towards assimilation.


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    Youre first point makes the most sense, imo.

    In particular if they are educated in a brache where skilled employees lack.

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    Government should pass a bill to:

    1. To Jail them for life for illegal crossing to state.
    2. A Modern Slavery Law where these "citizens" would be a slaves for entire life.
    3. Ban them from having children
    4. Ban them from any citizen rights.

    Illegal Migrants should be treated like animals, because that's what they are. They came uninvited and should be treated accordingly.

    They are ENEMIES who have invaded Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gedza View Post
    Government should pass a bill to:

    1. To Jail them for life for illegal crossing to state.
    2. A Modern Slavery Law where these "citizens" would be a slaves for entire life.
    3. Ban them from having children
    4. Ban them from any citizen rights.

    Illegal Migrants should be treated like animals, because that's what they are. They came uninvited and should be treated accordingly.
    I am talking about legal migrants here. Not illegal. In the case of these people, they were first in a state that no longer exists (Czechoslovakia).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gedza View Post
    Government should pass a bill to:

    1. To Jail them for life for illegal crossing to state.
    2. A Modern Slavery Law where these "citizens" would be a slaves for entire life.
    3. Ban them from having children
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    Illegal Migrants should be treated like animals, because that's what they are. They came uninvited and should be treated accordingly.

    They are ENEMIES who have invaded Europe.
    Youre again unveiling your middle eastern, Ottoman behaviour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maks Luburic View Post
    Youre first point makes the most sense, imo.

    In particular if they are educated in a brache where skilled employees lack.
    I'd say that that might be the best solution, yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    I'd say that that might be the best solution, yes.
    If the girl really is from Czech or Slovakia, she would have anyway the right to live in the Netherlands due to her EU-pass (which she should normally get).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    I am talking about legal migrants here. Not illegal. In the case of these people, they were first in a state that no longer exists (Czechoslovakia).
    Why would you give a legal status to someone whose ancestors are Vietnamese people? They are not Dutch, mixed marriages with foreigners will never work.

    Do you want to have Narrow Eyed Dutch people?

    The simple belief where one believe that African, Asiatic and European people should not mix is NOT Racism but a common sense. Racism is hatred toward other people and I don't hate anybody.

    Dutch people needs to go back to their roots of origin, re-institute royality, clans, tribes and declare than NO ONE can be a Dutch except a recognize Dutch groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gedza View Post
    Why would you give a legal status to someone whose ancestors are Vietnamese people? They are not Dutch, mixed marriages with foreigners will never work.

    Do you want to have Narrow Eyed Dutch people?

    The simple belief where one believe that African, Asiatic and European people should not mix is NOT Racism but a common sense. Racism is hatred toward other people and I don't hate anybody.

    Dutch people needs to go back to their roots of origin, re-institute royality, clans, tribes and declare than NO ONE can be a Dutch except a recognize Dutch groups.
    Ehm. That girl for example is European.

    Edit: Wait she is not, my mistake ^^

    But it still doesnt mean that she will inevitably marry a dutchman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maks Luburic View Post
    If the girl really is from Czech or Slovakia, she would have anyway the right to live in the Netherlands due to her EU-pass (which she should normally get).
    Today, yes, but she was born in 2005 in Germany, apparently her parents had left Czechoslovakia (I am not talking about the Czech Republic - Czechoslovakia - former communist Czechoslovakia) some years earlier for Germany as there was neither a future for them in Czechoslovakia (where the communists themselves had sent a great number of migrants) or in Vietnam.


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