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    Quote Originally Posted by Maks Luburic View Post
    Ehm. That girl for example is European.
    "parents were Vietnamese born"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gedza View Post
    Why would you give a legal status to someone whose ancestors are Vietnamese people? They are not Dutch, mixed marriages with foreigners will never work.

    Do you want to have Narrow Eyed Dutch people?

    The simple belief where one believe that African, Asiatic and European people should not mix is NOT Racism but a common sense. Racism is hatred toward other people and I don't hate anybody.

    Dutch people needs to go back to their roots of origin, re-institute royality, clans, tribes and declare than NO ONE can be a Dutch except a recognize Dutch groups.
    Yawn. If you can't look at the matter from a practical and legal perspective than vacate the tread because you clearly nothing of Dutch society to begin with and as a Muslim aren't European to begin with.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gedza View Post
    "parents were Vietnamese born"
    You could have looked it up for yourself and I have seen them in Prague as well (back in the late 2000s):

    Vietnamese immigrants began settling in Czechoslovakia during the Communist period, when they were invited as guest workers by the Czechoslovak government. Migration was encouraged by the Vietnamese authorities, with the intention that the migrants would return with skills and training.[7][citation needed]
    Following the collapse of communism in Czechoslovakia, many Vietnamese decided to remain in the country rather than return home. This first generation of immigrants has traditionally made a living as vendors in street markets or stalls. In recent years, however, a significant number have moved towards establishing their own businesses and integrating more broadly into society, similar to the experience of other overseas Vietnamese in Western countries. However, the small business sector remains the key economic domain of first-generation Vietnamese people in the Czech Republic.[8]
    Vietnamese immigration continued in the 1990s and 2000s (decade), with Vietnam being one of the countries targeted by the Czech Republic's skilled migration programme.
    Had you been watching this, you would have seen that the problem lies with the Vietnamese government because, under law, this girl should have been a Vietnamese citizen but she wasn't born in Vietnam and isn't declared a citizen.Her parents were born in Vietnam and could thus get a Dutch passport because they had Vietnamese papers but the girl couldn't and can't because her birth certificate clearly points at Germany.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Today, yes, but she was born in 2005 in Germany, apparently her parents had left Czechoslovakia (I am not talking about the Czech Republic - Czechoslovakia - former communist Czechoslovakia) some years earlier for Germany as there was neither a future for them in Czechoslovakia (where the communists themselves had sent a great number of migrants) or in Vietnam.
    There is a similar problem in todays east Germany, former DDR. Some former conglomerate (Kombinat) workers from Somalia, Vietnam or Ethiopia. Many of them are after 30 years still having just a "Duldungsschein", it must be a unbearable situation for the affected persons to be in such a uncertainty situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gedza View Post
    "parents were Vietnamese born"
    I have already corrected my mistake...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maks Luburic View Post
    There is a similar problem in todays east Germany, former DDR. Some former conglomerate (Kombinat) workers from Somalia, Vietnam or Ethiopia. Many of them are after 30 years still having just a "Duldungsschein", it must be a unbearable situation for the affected persons to be in such a uncertainty situation.



    I have already corrected my mistake...
    I think there are cases where we should be firm (with those who have a country to go back to and from where they still have the citizenship - deport the lot) and cases where we should be lenient and I think this is a case where we should be lenient.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    I think there are cases where we should be firm (with those who have a country to go back to and from where they still have the citizenship - deport the lot) and cases where we should be lenient and I think this is a case where we should be lenient.
    Definately. She for example seem to be well integrated and hasn´t any connection to her heritage-country. Maybe she isn´t even speaking Vietnamese (haven´t seen the full vid), it would just be senseless to send her back to Vietnam. But you are right, we have to be aware that we can´t harbor half of the planet in Europe.

    I dislike him, but the former German Bundespräsident said it very well: "Unsere Herzen sind groß, unsere Möglichkeiten jedoch beschränkt".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maks Luburic View Post
    Definately. She for example seem to be well integrated and hasn´t any connection to her heritage-country. Maybe she isn´t even speaking Vietnamese (haven´t seen the full vid), it would just be senseless to send her back to Vietnam. But you are right, we have to be aware that we can´t harbor half of the planet in Europe.

    I dislike him, but the former German Bundespräsident said it very well: "Unsere Herzen sind groß, unsere Möglichkeiten jedoch beschränkt".
    Judging from her Dutch - she is from the West Brabant and I can hear definitely hear that in her voice., it's unlikely that she also speaks Vietnamese. I think we should definitely be harsh to the many but be kind to the few.



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