Charles Martel is my direct bloodline great granfather!

[Creoda]

However how many of these "most" can even trace directly, with names, dates, locations, through a family tree? Trust me, it is a whole other feeling and conscious realization to know possibly I am then I know I am a descendant of this and that royalty. Can you also trace yourself back to him, as a curiosity?

Genealogy going back hundreds of years is extremely unreliable, and the chances of a non-paternity event in 1300 years is far more likely than not. In any case you would almost certainly be descended from him anyway like Longbowman said, like virtually all Europeans in the Frankish territories and surrounds.

[Bosniensis]

Well I suppose that's Indo-European Hero (Charles Martel)... I would feel opposite though.

Keep researching.

[Longbowman]

However how many of these "most" can even trace directly, with names, dates, locations, through a family tree? Trust me, it is a whole other feeling and conscious realization to know possibly I am then I know I am a descendant of this and that royalty. Can you also trace yourself back to him, as a curiosity?

Well I can trace myself to John II of Portugal and his descendant Ana de Lancastre (married a marrano, descendants reverted to Judaism) who were both of descent from Charlemange, so, yes.. But the remarkable part to your story is being able to trace it. Most people don't have the paper trail.

[The Lawspeaker]

How would you even know when it would be difficult to (reliably) trace your ancestors 300 years. For the Netherlands (traditionally Europe's most bureaucratic nation), it has only been reliable since the days of Napoleon since that's when systematic centralised records began to be kept. Before that it was only done in rich families (which used to embellish things in order to give themselves more stature) or in a church and many churches ceased to exist (more often than not: along with the records). If people turned up in magistrate's papers or city files, this was only because of some legal proceedings from one sort or the other and that wouldn't have been genealogical.

[Vasconcelos]

However how many of these "most" can even trace directly, with names, dates, locations, through a family tree? Trust me, it is a whole other feeling and conscious realization to know possibly I am then I know I am a descendant of this and that royalty. Can you also trace yourself back to him, as a curiosity?

Geneaology from such ancient individuals is very, very, very unreliable, although you (as well as pretty much any European) are indeed his descendant. However you probably inherited 0cM from him though

[Dunai]

Geneaology from such ancient individuals is very, very, very unreliable, although you (as well as pretty much any European) are indeed his descendant. However you probably inherited 0cM from him though

As I stated in my previous messages, I didn't make this up, as I would be the first person to raise an eyebrow when something looks suspect (it's no coincidence I chose Mythbuster General as my nickname). I have had several mail exchanges with two elder Western genealogists, with whom I was sharing common ancestors in the 17th-18th century Elsass and Rhineland regions. They have already done first hand research for over many-many years, and basically I borrowed their findings, and around Late Medieval and Renaissance period, 14th-15th centuries, there were many-many descendants of nobility among them, who all are attested by multiple sites, and various independent sources, who arrived to the same conclusion. The links between my ancestors truly are real and there are also wikipedia articles to many of them, which quote multiple sources that these were legitimate sons and daughters of various fathers and mothers, that lead back all to Charles Martel, and even further. Basically saying this is all unreliable, would mean that you would question the hole official history and family trees of the Middle Ages, on which numerous highly skilled genealogists have worked for many-many decades, even hundreds of years already.

[Vasconcelos]

Basically saying this is all unreliable, would mean that you would question the hole official history and family trees of the Middle Ages, on which numerous highly skilled genealogists have worked for many-many decades, even hundreds of years already.

But I do question, a lot of geneaology of very ancient sources is almost "mythological". I also have family ties to him, through one noble lineage or royal origin, but I give it 0 credibility

[Dunai]

How would you even know when it would be difficult to (reliably) trace your ancestors 300 years. For the Netherlands (traditionally Europe's most bureaucratic nation), it has only been reliable since the days of Napoleon since that's when systematic centralised records began to be kept. Before that it was only done in rich families (which used to embellish things in order to give themselves more stature) or in a church and many churches ceased to exist (more often than not: along with the records). If people turned up in magistrate's papers or city files, this was only because of some legal proceedings from one sort or the other and that wouldn't have been genealogical.

One of the ancestors from which I can start tracking myself back until my initial claim is from Barbara von Rittenhofen, who lived between 1425-1486 in Saarland. By using any genealogy site anyone who is curious enough can corroborate my find.

[The Lawspeaker]

One of the ancestors from which I can start tracking myself back until my initial claim is from Barbara von Rittenhofen, who lived between 1425-1486 in Saarland. By using any genealogy site anyone who is curious enough can corroborate my find.

I have used those sites myself and they come up with the most ridiculous potential ancestors. I don't give it any credit.

[Dunai]

But I do question, a lot of geneaology of very ancient sources is almost "mythological". I also have family ties to him, through one noble lineage or royal origin, but I give it 0 credibility

Indeed, forgeries were made during Middle Ages, all sorts of, from mythological ancestry claims by certain royal families, but those always appear with the mentioning of "hypothetical" by professional genealogists. I avoided any hypothetical ancestors in my family tree, because trust me, I found many. I only consider as valid ancestors on which there is a consensus by historians and genealogists.