My Eurogenes K13

**FilhoV** · 03-12-2019, 03:38 PM

Re-uploaded using new file with newest raw data upload using AncestryDNA (I got a test for Christmas).

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted)

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.18
2 West_Med 26.89
3 East_Med 14.93
4 Baltic 9.47
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Red_Sea 3.3
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.2
9 Oceanian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Extremadura 2.57
2 Portuguese 3.37
3 Spanish_Murcia 3.74
4 Spanish_Andalucia 4
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.53
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.68
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.94
8 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.02
9 Spanish_Cataluna 5.75
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.02
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.9
12 North_Italian 8.19
13 Southwest_French 9.52
14 French 12.16
15 Tuscan 13.65
16 West_German 18.27
17 South_Dutch 18.27
18 French_Basque 19.58
19 West_Sicilian 19.94
20 Italian_Abruzzo 20.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.7% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.3% Sandawe @ 1.85
2 85.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.2% Moroccan @ 1.87
3 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Sudanese @ 1.87
4 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.88
5 85.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.3% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.92
6 98.1% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.9% San @ 1.93
7 98% Spanish_Extremadura + 2% Hadza @ 1.93
8 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 1.95
9 98.2% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.8% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.98
10 97.9% Spanish_Extremadura + 2.1% Maasai @ 1.99
11 86.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 13.3% Egyptian @ 1.99
12 87.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 12.1% Tunisian @ 2.02
13 95.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.5% Tunisian @ 2.03
14 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.03
15 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Bantu_N.E. @ 2.05
16 95.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.6% Algerian @ 2.06
17 98.4% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.6% Luhya @ 2.06
18 98.5% Spanish_Extremadura + 1.5% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.09
19 85.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 14.3% Algerian @ 2.1
20 95.8% Spanish_Extremadura + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.13

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.612180

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Tuscan @ 2.479211

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + Portuguese + Portuguese + West_Sicilian @ 2.278877
2 North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.336121
3 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.359278
4 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.381572
5 East_Sicilian + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.427571
6 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + West_Sicilian @ 2.431039
7 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.434976
8 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.448286
9 North_Italian + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.449110
10 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.450305
11 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.460699
12 French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Sicilian @ 2.475215
13 North_Italian + Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.476262
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Tuscan @ 2.479211
15 Ashkenazi + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.479599
16 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.480093
17 Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + West_Sicilian @ 2.481961
18 Portuguese + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.483450
19 North_Italian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.484588
20 North_Italian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.484959

Done.

Rgvgjhvv · 03-12-2019, 03:41 PM

So Portuguese regularly have small amount of SSA but what's the theory of how/when this came to be in the modern population?

**CommonSense** · 03-12-2019, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Markos

So Portuguese regularly have small amount of SSA but what's the theory of how/when this came to be in the modern population?

Portuguese were the first to colonise Africa, it shouldn't be that surprising to find some individuals with minor SSA.

**~~Vasconcelos~~** · 03-12-2019, 03:55 PM

So the same as before?

Rgvgjhvv · 03-12-2019, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Portuguese were the first to colonise Africa, it shouldn't be that surprising to find some individuals with minor SSA.

That's the other way round though

**~~Vasconcelos~~** · 03-12-2019, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Markos

That's the other way round though

It's related to north African ancestry, if you add them as a reference in G25 models that SSA generally goes away. It's probably not simply real and minor SSA, a good part of it might actually be Iberomaurusian which used to be read as SSA before this reference was included in the models, given it's a more ancient branch of AMHs than other Eurasian ancestry.

Here's an example of what I mean

[1] "distance%=2.5308 / distance=0.025308"

Moroccan:MCA9

Iberomaurusian 40.6
Barcin_N 34.5
Levant_N 10.9
Yamnaya_Samara 9.7
Yoruba 4.3

Edit: Note that this obviously is unrelated to the colonial era, those SSA+NE Africa components in K13/K15 exist all over Iberia in varying frequencies, including in Asturias and Cantabria

**Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas** · 03-12-2019, 04:26 PM

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 36.75
2 West_Med 25.64
3 East_Med 14.09
4 Baltic 11.57
5 West_Asian 4.55
6 Red_Sea 2.76
7 Northeast_African 2.5
8 Siberian 0.93
9 Oceanian 0.77
10 Sub-Saharan 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 2.93
2 Spanish_Extremadura 3.73
3 Spanish_Galicia 4.46
4 Spanish_Murcia 4.54
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 4.65
6 Spanish_Andalucia 5.1
7 Spanish_Cataluna 5.16
8 Spanish_Valencia 5.47
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.68
10 Spanish_Cantabria 7.18
11 North_Italian 7.36
12 Spanish_Aragon 8.77
13 Southwest_French 9.16
14 French 10.16
15 Tuscan 13.28
16 West_German 15.98
17 South_Dutch 16.11
18 Romanian 18.95
19 Serbian 19.21
20 West_Sicilian 19.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.4% Portuguese + 4.6% Balkar @ 1.88
2 96.1% Portuguese + 3.9% Abhkasian @ 1.9
3 95.7% Portuguese + 4.3% North_Ossetian @ 1.92
4 95.5% Portuguese + 4.5% Kabardin @ 1.93
5 95.7% Portuguese + 4.3% Ossetian @ 1.93
6 96% Portuguese + 4% Georgian @ 1.94
7 95.7% Portuguese + 4.3% Adygei @ 1.95
8 95.5% Portuguese + 4.5% Kumyk @ 2.02
9 95.8% Portuguese + 4.2% Chechen @ 2.07
10 80.4% Spanish_Andalucia + 19.6% Serbian @ 2.09
11 95.3% Portuguese + 4.7% Nogay @ 2.1
12 95.9% Portuguese + 4.1% Armenian @ 2.11
13 95.1% Portuguese + 4.9% Turkish @ 2.12
14 96% Portuguese + 4% Lezgin @ 2.13
15 79.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 20.6% Bulgarian @ 2.15
16 83.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 16.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.18
17 96.1% Portuguese + 3.9% Kurdish @ 2.18
18 95.8% Portuguese + 4.2% Azeri @ 2.2
19 96.2% Portuguese + 3.8% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.2
20 96.1% Portuguese + 3.9% Tabassaran @ 2.2

Your component percentages are almost identical to mine. We are indeed a homogeneous bunch.

**~~Vasconcelos~~** · 03-12-2019, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

Your component percentages are almost identical to mine. We are indeed a homogeneous bunch.

Not too homogenous, there's still a bit of variation, enough to be hard to pinpoint one's exact peninsular origins.
Here's mine, I basically get Cantabrian with West Iberian levels of NA ancestry

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.42
2 West_Med 28.51
3 East_Med 12.04
4 Baltic 9.58
5 Red_Sea 4.47
6 Northeast_African 2.6
7 Sub-Saharan 1.13
8 West_Asian 1.05
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.58
11 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.11
2 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.29
3 Spanish_Extremadura 3.6
4 Spanish_Galicia 3.86
5 Spanish_Murcia 3.9
6 Portuguese 4.32
7 Spanish_Andalucia 4.39
8 Spanish_Cantabria 4.42
9 Spanish_Valencia 5.02
10 Spanish_Aragon 5.35
11 Spanish_Cataluna 5.65
12 Southwest_French 6.86
13 North_Italian 11.6
14 French 12.2
15 French_Basque 16.35
16 Tuscan 17.31
17 South_Dutch 18.17
18 West_German 18.65
19 Southwest_English 21.98
20 Southeast_English 22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 10.2% Moroccan @ 1.9
2 89.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 10.2% Algerian @ 2.02
3 90% Spanish_Cantabria + 10% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.11
4 94% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 6% Moroccan @ 2.16
5 90.3% Spanish_Cantabria + 9.7% Tunisian @ 2.19
6 92% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 8% Sardinian @ 2.21
7 94.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.22
8 97.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.8% Somali @ 2.24
9 97.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.7% Maasai @ 2.25
10 97% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 3% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.26
11 96.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 3.1% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.27
12 97.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.8% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 2.28
13 94.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5.8% Algerian @ 2.28
14 94.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 5.3% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 2.32
15 92.6% Spanish_Cantabria + 7.4% Egyptian @ 2.33
16 97.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.6% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 2.33
17 97.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.6% Sandawe @ 2.34
18 94.8% Spanish_Cantabria + 5.2% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 2.37
19 94.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 5.3% Tunisian @ 2.38
20 97.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 2.2% Sudanese @ 2.42

And here's the same Eurogenes K13 using the newer references from yourdnaportal

Code:

Population 	Percentage
North_Atlantic 	38.75%
Baltic 	9.32%
West Mediterranean 	29.60%
West Asian 	2.05%
East Mediterranean 	10.59%
Red Sea 	4.47%
South Asian 	0.00%
East Asian 	1.06%
Siberian 	0.00%
Amerindian 	0.00%
Oceanian 	0.00%
Northeast African 	2.88%
Sub-Saharan 	1.28%


Population 	Distance
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 	0.4143785
Spanish_Extremadura 	0.4916182
Spanish_Cantabria 	0.5010813
Spanish_Galicia 	0.5182787
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 	0.5205148
Spanish_Andalucia 	0.530732
Spanish_Murcia 	0.5964667
Portuguese 	0.6176812 


Population 	Value
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 	23.8
Spanish_Galicia 	21
Spanish_Cantabria 	18.2
Spanish_Extremadura 	14.6
French_Basque 	8.2
Sardinian 	4.6
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 	4.6
Southwest_French 	1.6
Stuttgart 	0.8
Mozabite_Berber 	0.6
Algerian 	0.2
Bantu_SW 	0.2
Dai 	0.2
Ethiopian_Gumuz 	0.2
Hadza 	0.2
Mbuti_Pygmy 	0.2
San 	0.2
Sandawe 	0.2
Tunisian 	0.2
Yizu 	0.2

**Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas** · 03-12-2019, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Vasconcelos

Not too homogenous, there's still a bit of variation, enough to be hard to pinpoint one's exact peninsular origins.
Here's mine, I basically get Cantabrian with West Iberian levels of NA ancestry

We are so homogeneous that slight variances in the percentages is all that differentiates between Portugal, Galiza, Extremadura, Castilla y Leon, etc. Those regions have minimal genetic drifts.

Look at my girlfriend's Oracle:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.796878
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.822976
3 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.830651
4 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.871677
5 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.880531
6 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.932557
7 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.933798
8 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.934674
9 Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.940674
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.945736
11 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.964675
12 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.964771
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.966176
14 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.973461
15 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979229
16 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979935
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.984151
18 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.985350
19 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.986398
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.986409

Literally only Iberian samples and all with close approximations! You don't find anything even remotely identical in other regions of Europe.

**~~Vasconcelos~~** · 03-12-2019, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

We are so homogeneous that slight variances in the percentages is all that differentiates between Portugal, Galiza, Extremadura, Castilla y Leon, etc. Those regions have minimal genetic drifts.

Look at my girlfriend's Oracle:

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.796878
2 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.822976
3 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.830651
4 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.871677
5 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.880531
6 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.932557
7 Portuguese + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.933798
8 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.934674
9 Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.940674
10 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.945736
11 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.964675
12 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.964771
13 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.966176
14 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.973461
15 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979229
16 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.979935
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.984151
18 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.985350
19 Portuguese + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.986398
20 Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.986409

Literally only Iberian samples and all with close approximations! You don't find anything even remotely identical in other regions of Europe.

I don't find that very surprising, Portuguese overlap a good deal of Spain, and Iberians in particular are rather unique. Which is what I mean when I say we have a good deal of variation, I don't think we Portuguese are very homogenous.

Portuguese in medium blue

NW Europeans overlap each other a lot too
https://i.postimg.cc/yBqByXbQ/west-eurasian-pca-g25.png