New Iberian paper with Celtiberian samples out!

**Token** · 03-15-2019, 09:14 PM

Okay, the samples are avaiable on G25, gotta run lots of models.

Spaniards apparently got basically zero Visigothic admixture, they can be modelled as a two-way mixture of Roman period Iberians (who were mostly Celtiberian anyway) and Celtiberians, with some North African admixture. The Portuguese and Galicians does seems to prefer Visigothic admixed Iberians, specially the Galicians. Suebi?

[1] "distance%=2.1834"
Spanish_Galicia

Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL,32.8 - Visigothic period Iberian
Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,28.6 - Roman period Iberian
Iberia_North_IA,26.4 - Celtiberian
Moroccan,12.2

[1] "distance%=2.1078"
Portuguese

Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES,46.6 - Roman period Iberian
Iberia_North_IA,27 - Celtiberian
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL,15.6 - Visigothic period Iberian
Moroccan,10.8

**Lucas** · 03-15-2019, 09:17 PM

Visigothic genotype rathe. I will upload only those bolded

I12030 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.026
I12031 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.46
I12032 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.17
I12029 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.003
I12033 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.031
I12034 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.43
I12163 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.35
I12164 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.03
I12162 NE_Iberia_c_6CE_PL - genotype rate 0.36

**Dick** · 03-15-2019, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by LukaszM

Yeah! At least Visigoths. I'm starting to convert

Soon on Gedmatch.

What will be soon?

**~~Joso~~** · 03-15-2019, 09:26 PM

Amazing! It just proves what we already knew: Atlanto-meds are ugly and North African looking.

**Token** · 03-15-2019, 09:30 PM

From what i saw in the PCA, one of the Visigoths plots with Germans. The rest looks like Germanic admixed Iberians.

**Dick** · 03-15-2019, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Token

From what i saw in the PCA, one of the Visigoths plots with Germans. The rest looks like Germanic admixed Iberians.

Are you sure these Visigoth samples aren't actually Suebi. I doubt the Goths were "pure" once they arrived in Spain.

**Lucas** · 03-15-2019, 09:34 PM

Genesis EA3865424

Visigoth I12032

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.27
2 Atlantic 23.91
3 West_Med 14.67
4 Baltic 8.68
5 Eastern_Euro 7.26
6 East_Med 6.33
7 West_Asian 4.52
8 Siberian 1.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.5
2 French 5.72
3 South_Dutch 5.82
4 Southwest_English 7.08
5 Southeast_English 8.6
6 North_Dutch 10.21
7 North_German 10.26
8 Danish 10.59
9 Irish 10.78
10 Orcadian 10.87
11 West_Scottish 11.04
12 Norwegian 11.98
13 East_German 12.52
14 Spanish_Galicia 12.62
15 West_Norwegian 12.93
16 Swedish 13.09
17 Spanish_Cataluna 13.26
18 Portuguese 13.86
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.87
20 North_Swedish 15.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% West_German + 17.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.92
2 88.4% West_German + 11.6% French_Basque @ 2.99
3 84.9% West_German + 15.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.03
4 79.8% West_German + 20.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.1
5 84.3% West_German + 15.7% Southwest_French @ 3.11
6 84.7% West_German + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.16
7 60% West_German + 40% French @ 3.22
8 58.4% West_Norwegian + 41.6% North_Italian @ 3.23
9 84.9% West_German + 15.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.24
10 92.8% West_German + 7.2% Sardinian @ 3.25

**Lucas** · 03-15-2019, 09:34 PM

Visigoth I12162

Kit YK2572384

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.25
2 Atlantic 22.99
3 West_Med 12.81
4 Baltic 8.84
5 Eastern_Euro 8.26
6 West_Asian 5.55
7 East_Med 1.67
8 Southeast_Asian 1.58
9 Red_Sea 1.38
10 Oceanian 1.16
11 Northeast_African 1.13
12 South_Asian 0.7
13 Amerindian 0.36
14 Sub-Saharan 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 5.09
2 South_Dutch 5.97
3 Southwest_English 6.38
4 French 7.76
5 Southeast_English 7.92
6 North_Dutch 8.62
7 North_German 8.72
8 Danish 9.13
9 Orcadian 9.48
10 Irish 9.6
11 West_Scottish 9.82
12 Norwegian 10.14
13 Swedish 11.22
14 West_Norwegian 11.34
15 East_German 11.36
16 North_Swedish 13.09
17 Spanish_Galicia 14.74
18 Hungarian 15.2
19 Austrian 15.62
20 Spanish_Cataluna 15.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% French + 41.3% Norwegian @ 4.31
2 63.4% West_German + 36.6% Southwest_English @ 4.32
3 62% French + 38% West_Norwegian @ 4.37
4 60.7% Norwegian + 39.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.42
5 57.4% West_Norwegian + 42.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.51
6 63.1% Norwegian + 36.9% Portuguese @ 4.55
7 62% French + 38% Swedish @ 4.56
8 92.3% West_German + 7.7% French_Basque @ 4.58
9 64% West_German + 36% South_Dutch @ 4.64
10 59.9% West_Norwegian + 40.1% Portuguese @ 4.66

**Dick** · 03-15-2019, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by LukaszM

Genesis EA3865424

Visigoth I12032

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.27
2 Atlantic 23.91
3 West_Med 14.67
4 Baltic 8.68
5 Eastern_Euro 7.26
6 East_Med 6.33
7 West_Asian 4.52
8 Siberian 1.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.5
2 French 5.72
3 South_Dutch 5.82
4 Southwest_English 7.08
5 Southeast_English 8.6
6 North_Dutch 10.21
7 North_German 10.26
8 Danish 10.59
9 Irish 10.78
10 Orcadian 10.87
11 West_Scottish 11.04
12 Norwegian 11.98
13 East_German 12.52
14 Spanish_Galicia 12.62
15 West_Norwegian 12.93
16 Swedish 13.09
17 Spanish_Cataluna 13.26
18 Portuguese 13.86
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.87
20 North_Swedish 15.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% West_German + 17.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.92
2 88.4% West_German + 11.6% French_Basque @ 2.99
3 84.9% West_German + 15.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.03
4 79.8% West_German + 20.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.1
5 84.3% West_German + 15.7% Southwest_French @ 3.11
6 84.7% West_German + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.16
7 60% West_German + 40% French @ 3.22
8 58.4% West_Norwegian + 41.6% North_Italian @ 3.23
9 84.9% West_German + 15.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.24
10 92.8% West_German + 7.2% Sardinian @ 3.25

This must be Suebi

**Lucas** · 03-15-2019, 09:35 PM

Visigoth I12163

Kit KH6396435

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.01
2 Atlantic 20.13
3 East_Med 10.35
4 West_Med 9.75
5 Baltic 9.03
6 Eastern_Euro 8.65
7 West_Asian 6.53
8 Amerindian 1.53
9 Red_Sea 1.32
10 Northeast_African 0.55
11 Siberian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 4.94
2 South_Dutch 8.41
3 French 9.2
4 North_German 10.74
5 Southwest_English 11.33
6 Southeast_English 11.58
7 Danish 11.75
8 North_Dutch 11.76
9 East_German 12.1
10 Norwegian 12.72
11 Hungarian 12.9
12 Swedish 13.13
13 Irish 13.16
14 West_Scottish 13.36
15 Orcadian 13.51
16 Serbian 13.64
17 Austrian 13.94
18 West_Norwegian 14
19 North_Swedish 14.32
20 Spanish_Galicia 15.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.7% West_Norwegian + 25.3% Cyprian @ 2.16
2 68.2% West_Norwegian + 31.8% South_Italian @ 2.17
3 66.1% West_Norwegian + 33.9% Central_Greek @ 2.29
4 66.4% West_Norwegian + 33.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.35
5 70.1% West_Norwegian + 29.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.35
6 91.5% West_German + 8.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.4
7 63.7% West_Norwegian + 36.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.48
8 91.8% West_German + 8.2% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.54
9 71.1% West_Norwegian + 28.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.61
10 91.8% West_German + 8.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 2.62