ERDOĞAN: AGIA SOPHIA WILL NEVER BE A CHURCH AS LONG AS THERE IS TURKISH PEOPLE

[Bosniensis]

The peripheral vision of a human, allows one to observe things beyond the small idiotic lens your idiotic post provides.

Turks are invaders who injected their culture and religion in Anatolia by force. They are not a continuation of the old Rome but a replacement.

This is historically and academically accepted by all sides. Your reinterpretations and selected quotations of specific historians to push your agenda are nothing but a salad of lies. Lies by omission, direct lies and capricious strongarm lies.

orange trees and mango trees both collect sunlight with the chlorophylle in their leaves, and emperors of different empires may at times choose to sack temples of worship. This still does not make both Justinian and Mehmed of the same stock, as much as your little ego hangs on it. Mehmed is a Turk and Justinian a Roman. They are not both Roman Emperors.

The very instance where you use my own quote to put words and concepts in my mouth that I never uttered is just an example of how your game of deception works. You take an isolated instance of text from the greater context it was uttered, and then you inject your own meaning into it and add it to your collection of propaganda weapons.

Let's better formulate your reply:

" Your reinterpretations and selected quotations of specific historians to push your agenda are nothing but a salad of lies."

Thanas Django: "Georgious Gemistus Pletho, John Skilitza, Michael Choniates, Demetrios Chalkondyles, John II Komnenos, Theodore Laskris etc... ARE ALL LIARS"

That's what you have said, I've just put your interpretations in brackets.

"Mehmed is a Turk and Justinian a Roman."

He never said that he is a Turk, neither him nor his opponents nor his servants. That's something Attaturk and Greeks have invented to appropriate Byzantine history,
but all those "liars" whom you so easily declared have directly or indirectly declared Mehmed and his ancestors/descendants as Anatolian Byzantine people.

They are not both Roman Emperors.

My ex High Patriarch Gennadios II said that Mehmed is a Greek and Emperor of Romans who sworned to protect non-muslims from Latins

Another Liar of yours I suppose.

Turks are invaders who injected their culture and religion in Anatolia by force.

Oh.. you want me to explain you how Christianity came to Balkans? Want me to explain ... how many people were slaughtered by Justinian cause
they refused Christianity? Please say yes...


"...how your game of deception works."

Oh now I am deceiver?.

Well after you have proclaimed entire bookshelf of Greek historians as liars, there is nothing else but to say that I deceive people.
Probably magic.

Oh btw... do your friend Teutone a good blowjob, after all his people saved your ass .... you have your religion back because of him, I wouldn't
expect nothing else from low-life such as yourself but to betray and abandon treaties as you orthodoxes did.


Also according to your Turkish theory, Armenians are Turks as well, and you both plot close to them:

[Thanas Django]

Let's better formulate your reply

and with this one little magical phrase, you proceed to dumb down everything I have written then fight the weak strawmen you have created yourself to then deceive yourself into thinking you have written something intelligent.

[Mens-Sarda]

Buffoon, Hagia Sophia has been the greatest Christian church for 1100 years, and still is the most impressive building of Christianity. Turks are just thieves that seized the achievements accomplished by others. All their architecture and all they had during the Ottoman Empire was copied from the Byzantine culture and architecture.

[Bosniensis]

Buffoon, Hagia Sophia has been the greatest Christian church for 1100 years, and still is the most impressive building of Christianity. Turks are just thieves that seized the achievements accomplished by others. All their architecture and all they had during the Ottoman Empire was copied from the Byzantine culture and architecture.

Most of Turks are Byzantines, they could not seize their own architecture.

Are you nuts?

All Ottoman Builders and Architects are Greek, Armenian Muslims.

[Thanas Django]

Most of Turks are Byzantines, they could not seize their own architecture.

Are you nuts?

All Ottoman Builders and Architects are Greek, Armenian Muslims.

Most of which Turks at which period and from which perspective?

Lying by omission.

[Bosniensis]

Most of which Turks at which period and from which perspective?

Lying by omission.

All their buildings (Mosque, Baths etc..) are Eastern Roman Style, being themselves Romans.

Those famous ones, there are many much less famous.


1. Fatih Mosque (a replacement building for demolished Church of Holy Apostoles) built by a Greek named: Sinan Atik

Sinan-i Atik, also known as Azadlı Sinan, and Atik Sinan (meaning Sinan the Freedman; azadlı shows that atik does not mean "old", and is not used to distinguish him from Koca Mimar Sinan Agha, was an Ottoman architect for Sultan Mehmed II from the empire's Greek community during the 15th century.

"He is credited with being the architect who designed and built Istanbul's first selatin mosque, the Fatih Mosque and its complex, in 1471 for Mehmed II, over the ruins of the Church of the Holy Apostles, which was razed to the ground by the Ottomans in order for the Fatih Mosque to be built.[2] His nephew, also an architect, built the Bayezid II Mosque.[2] Tradition holds that Sultan Mehmed II endowed the Greek Orthodox Church of St. Mary of the Mongols, the only church in Istanbul still standing that was never converted into a mosque, to the mother of Christodoulos (Sinan's Greek name) " -< meaning Christian name.



2. Koca Mimar Sinan Agha (not to be confused with Sinan Atik)


Buildings:

Süleymaniye Mosque
Selimiye Mosque
Mehmed Paša Sokolović Bridge
Mihrimah Sultan Mosque
Mihrimah Mosque
Kılıç Ali Pasha Complex
Şehzade Mosque
Haseki Hürrem Sultan Baths
Haseki Sultan Complex
Sokollu Mehmet Pasha Mosque

According to contemporary biographer, Mustafa Sâi Çelebi, Sinan was born in 1489 (c. 1490 according to the Encyclopædia Britannica,[7] 1491 according to the Dictionary of Islamic Architecture and some time between 1494 and 1499, according to the Turkish professor and architect Reha Günay)[8] with the name Joseph. He was born either an Armenian,[9][10][11][12][13][14] Cappadocian Greek,[15][16][17][18][19][20][21] Albanian references:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimar_Sinan



So two Greatest Ottoman Architects already Greek.

Oh..

Gazi Husrev Bey Mosque built by Greek architects from Greece, Gazi Husrev bey was Greek from Serres

[Mens-Sarda]

Most of Turks are Byzantines, they could not seize their own architecture.

Are you nuts?

All Ottoman Builders and Architects are Greek, Armenian Muslims.

The words Turk = Byzantine in the same phrase are not compatible.

A Byzantine is Greek and Orthodox Christian, a thing light years distant from a Turk.

[Bosniensis]

The words Turk = Byzantine in the same phrase are not compatible.

A Byzantine is Greek and Orthodox Christian, a thing light years distant from a Turk.

Well Christian culture is by mile incompatible with Balkan Hellenic culture for which we payed a severe price by Justinian

He murdered or better to say massacred and Christianized most of Balkan in 6th century A.D. Even in 8th century Maniote Greeks were butchered for not wanting to be Christians.

Ottomans have converted to Islam the same way they converted to Christianity before that.

It is Ottomans Ancestors who spread Christianity to Europe those Armenians, Greeks from Antioch etc..

Now you say they have no right to call themselves Byzantines because you don't like it?

Neither Hellenes wanted to be Christians but they were forced!

[Thanas Django]

Well Christian culture is by mile incompatible with Balkan Hellenic culture for which we payed a severe price by Justinian

He murdered or better to say massacred and Christianized most of Balkan in 6th century A.D. Even in 8th century Maniote Greeks were butchered for not wanting to be Christians.

Ottomans have converted to Islam the same way they converted to Christianity before that.

It is Ottomans Ancestors who spread Christianity to Europe those Armenians, Greeks from Antioch etc..

Now you say they have no right to call themselves Byzantines because you don't like it?

Neither Hellenes wanted to be Christians but they were forced!

Comparing Romans changing their religion and value system from within and an alien culture encroaching on the native through force is a non sequitur, a non starter even.

The persecution of pagans by Christians, which mind you is a role reversal of what had happened a few centuries before, is more akin to the Soviet revolution within Russia or the Spanish inquisition even.

The expansion of Ottoman Turks in Anatolia and the Balkan peninsula is mirrored by the European conquest of the Americans.

The only common denominator is that both events were carried out in a brutal way.

[Profileid]

I wonder if people like you have some innate tendency to dickride Albanians and get butthurt whenenver an Albanian feels a certain way that doesn't fit your narrative. We don't have to like what you like, or think like you think. All that talk about servile dogs but in real life you'd be quiet as a mouse, some Stratioti probably gangraped your ancestors and that's why you're so hurt til this day.

The benefit of being a based Albanian is that we don't need to take any sides, we'll flow through your rivers of butthurt without a single concern. Meanwhile you're crying about dey wuz kangz n did diz to us for decade after decade. Unless you're going to do something in real life stop talking so much, you Serboi mentality humans are beyond pathetic.

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?