Ancient Ashkenazi Jewish DNA

[Pandur]

ashkenazis aren't ancient lol

[Pine]

So religious superstition is halting the progress of science? Native Americans agreed to get their ancient bones DNA tested.

It's religion and it would be silly to instantly dismiss it. A rabbi would probably smile here and tell you that this is G-d's way to progress science in developing X-Ray DNA reading.

[Sp_loa]

I don’t understand why people think Ashkenazi are half north Italian just because Gedmatch gives that module.
Sephardim Italian Ancestry is clearly from the south. That’s what 23andme usually shows in recent locations of ancestry features and also Sephardim sometimes get dozens of gentile matches of Italian descent from Campania, Pulgia, Sicily and Calabria.

BTW I don’t even think South Italians are half levantine half North Italian. They just plot this way, but even bulgarian can plot as Romanian+levant and that doesn’t make it true. Phoenician influences on pulgia, campania or even Sicily were minoric to non existening depending on the region. Greek influences however were strong. South Italian are mainly Greek with a bit of MENA (max 15%), Roman and sometimes Norman blood and not half lombard half Lebanese. I don’t understand how one can think Campanians are half Lebanese.

Ashkenazi are South Italian+levant+ some central Europe that balance the levant and that’s why the plot with Sicilians if you ask me.

[Dragoon]

Jews from Russia didn't have that much time to mix with Russians, because before the Partitions of Poland Russia had no Jews.

Check this data by Russian historian Kabuzan, he says that in year 1719 the number of Jews in the Russian Empire was... zero:



In general a lot of the so called "German Jews" as well as the so called "Russian Jews" lived in Poland-Lithuania before 1772. Prussia-Brandenburg (which later unified Germany) annexed Silesia in 1740 and other Polish regions in 1772-1795, absorbing many Jews in those lands.

A lot of those Jews annexed by Germany in 1740-1795 later migrated internally within Germany to West Germany and to Berlin.

Berlin in the 1600s had 0 Jews, but fast forward to 1925 and it was the largest Jewish community in Germany with 160,000 Jews.

What about before the Jews came to Poland-Lithuania. Whered they come from. Before that Western Europe was kicking them out, so Germany, France, Italy, etc.
The Khazar stuff is probably very minimal too.

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[Imperator Biff]

Khazar theory is a very small brained theory that has been debunked countless times already. Only retards still believe it.
AJ back then would’ve been like modern ones minus the minor amount of Western and Eastern European ancestry they have now which they picked up on the way of being kicked out of every kingdom they infested.
Modern heebs are so inbred to the point every one of them is a fourth cousin genetically. So no doubt a huge founder effect.
Looking at their mtDNA it’s quite obvious their european admixture came via female exogamy, most of it Southern European like. Probably from Roman Italy. Possibly it came about from jew merchants buying and raping local slave girls.
That’d be my guess. Their y-dna on the other hand is mostly from the near east. They’re a 50/50 mischling population.

[FilhoV]

Polako claims that Italian nationalists will not like the results of the Ancient Italy study that is about to be published, because the study will detect recent gene flow from the Middle East to Italy which started in the Iron Age and continued until Imperial Roman times.

Of course this is all unofficial, we need to wait until the study gets published for official conclusions.

Nationalists in general don’t like genetic studies

[Unknown European]

Target: Ashkenazi_Germany:Ashk_DE_DE_1
Distance: 2.3603% / 0.02360318
59.0 Lebanese_Christian
35.2 Italian_Tuscany
5.0 French_Provence
0.8 Lebanese_Muslim
0.0 French_Alsace
0.0 Italian_Apulia
0.0 Lebanese_Druze

When you use Southern Italian sources and Northern/Central Italian. Ashkenazi will pretty much always prefer Northern and Central Italian sources over Southern Italian sources. I also see more Mtdna in Ashkenazi related to Southern French and Northern/Central Italians compared to Southern Italians I also believe there is more IBD sharing in Ashkenazi and Northern Italians then Ashkenazi and Southern Italians. The source above is an Ashkenazi lacking heavily in Northern European like ancestry probably closer to the original bottleneck Ashkenazi Jews then most other Ashkenazi Jews. If you use just an Southern Italian and Levantine source you will get a higher Southern Italian admixture compare to Levantine admixture but there will also be greater distance compared to if you use a Northern Italian source and a Levantine source which will usually give a more even Italian and Levantine admixture and a closer distance. It seems fairly evident that the Southern European admixture in Ashkenazi is more Central and Northern Italian like than Southern Italian and Sicilian like. I think some people simply think that because Ashkenazi Jews are overall more genetically similar to Southern Italians and Sicilians that it means we derive more of our ancestry from them however it is more complicated than that.

[dududud]

Polako claims that Italian nationalists will not like the results of the Ancient Italy study that is about to be published, because the study will detect recent gene flow from the Middle East to Italy which started in the Iron Age and continued until Imperial Roman times.

Of course this is all unofficial, we need to wait until the study gets published for official conclusions.

Not "italians nationalist".

North italians have least middle eastern, and sardinians too.

Republic roman was Estrucan like, not very exotic.

[dududud]

Where is the dna of this old ashkenazi????

WHERE???

[CordedWhelp]

Bwaaa...got my hopes up with the thread title here.