A Balkan map (1876) according to German sources

[Vojnik]

No, there aren't.
Our ethnicity is a modern one that ultimately derives from the Bulgarian nation.
Basically all or most of the maps before the beginning of the 20th century show us as a part of the Bulgarian ethnicity.
Something similar to Austria and Germany now.

[Vojnik]

The term 'Bulgar' meant a social class of people and a member of a church during the Ottoman empire. Sometimes people got confused between that and ethnicity. So they added Macedonians as Bulgars in some maps during that period.

[Aspar]

I know you want't like my comment, but there is nothing wrong in being a relatively new in terms of nation.
Should we all believe in the bulshit that we have continuity from the time of Alexander even tho, our language and the language he spoke are totally different?
Our people can trace their ethno-genesis in the First Bulgarian Empire, not in the Byzantine Empire.
We can perfectly understand a Bulgarian, not so much a Greek...

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Some of these maps you have qouted , if not most, are from Serbs and extremely biased. Especially from Civijic. The one that shows Kosovo as majority Serbian in 1920 is a Serb map. By foreign sources, Kosovo was majority Albanian at that time. Not to mention the ethnic cleansing of Albanians and Macedonians they committed in 1912 and late 19th century.

[Vojnik]

I know you want't like my comment, but there is nothing wrong in being a relatively new in terms of nation.
Should we all believe in the bulshit that we have continuity from the time of Alexander even tho, our language and the language he spoke are totally different?
Our people can trace their ethno-genesis in the First Bulgarian Empire, not in the Byzantine Empire.
We can perfectly understand a Bulgarian, not so much a Greek...

Alexander had another tongue not known. Ancient Greek was the lingua franca of that time which he used. We have continuity from Macedonia. If you believe the Slavic migration theory, it still makes the ethnonym Bulgar nonsensical, as the Slavs came in the 7th century and settled in Macedonia, where the Bulgars arrived in what is modern day north east Bulgaria in the 9th century.

So what linguistic continuity do we share with Khan Asparuch and his Turkic speaking, tengri worshipping Bulgars? At least with using the term Macedonian, we can justify it as we are indigenous to the territory of Macedonia.

Macedonia has gone through various linguistic changes over the millennia. Thracian language-Greek language-Latin language-Slavic language. Languages change over time, but the people stay the same.

[Vojnik]

Some of these maps you have qouted , if not most, are from Serbs and extremely biased. Especially from Civijic. The one that shows Kosovo as majority Serbian in 1920 is a Serb map. By foreign sources, Kosovo was majority Albanian at that time. Not to mention the ethnic cleansing of Albanians and Macedonians they committed in 1912 and late 19th century.

Hungarian map 1890's:



Albanians came into Macedonia and Kosovo with the help of the Ottomans anyway. Ottomans emptied alot of the lands of its Christian Slavic inhabitants and replaced them with Albanian Muslims.

[MiloshN]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...s_of_the_Serbs
If it were not for this, today the Albanians in Kosovo would be an extreme minority, and they would return from where they came from, from Albania.

[Papastratosels26]

Balkan map mid 19th.

Pretty accurate.


The rest is horse S**t

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Hungarian map 1890's:



Albanians came into Macedonia and Kosovo with the help of the Ottomans anyway. Ottomans emptied alot of the lands of its Christian Slavic inhabitants and replaced them with Albanian Muslims.

That map has Kosovo as majority Albanian from what I can tell. But I would be sceptical even of Hungarians.

And nope, Albanians always lived in Western Macedonia and Western Kosovo. There are clear pre Ottoman sources that show this. Slavs came into the area with the various Slavic empires and invasions and emptied the original natives like Albanians and Romanised people. Many lived isolated in the mountains of North Albamia.

Serbs expanded into Kosovo and modern Albania with the Nemanjic empire and Bulgarians with the Bulgarian empire. It is true later that Albanians also expanded. I don't see how this was any more of a problem than Slavs expanding and swallowing Albanians and Albanians turning into minorities.


Ottomans never replaced us with Slavs, Albanians settled and expanded by themselves. And we weren't Muslim. We converted after. My ancestors were Catholics from Kosovo. Also you had Albanian native minorities that grew over many years both in Macedonia and Kosovo.

Serbs were vassals of Ottomans, and the Ottomans had religious tolerance and even let the Serbs build churches. Albanians were catholics and became crypto christians to enjoy more rights. Nothing stoppef Serbs from doing the same but they had a national church and more religious organization unlike Albanians.



Not to mention the principality of Dukagjini that held modern Kosovo and ruled it prior to Ottoman ocupation., Lek Dukagjini himself was born in Kosovo. Skanderbeg had paternal origin from Kosovo. And Kosovo was under the league of lezhe. This is history they dont teach you in Serbian schools.


If anything, Slavs drove out native Albanians only for Albanians to expand and grow again , history doesn't begin in middle ages.

[North Sea]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...s_of_the_Serbs
If it were not for this, today the Albanians in Kosovo would be an extreme minority, and they would return from where they came from, from Albania.

Nope. The great migration wasn't really that great and did not have much of an effect on the Kosovo population. Kosovo had a strong Albanian population before even that migration as desceibed by a Turkish writer. If it wasn't for Slavic expansion we would of made the majority of those areas early on and we were its original inhanitants for sure.

As for Serbs , you came from rasca , why dont you go back there ? Prior to that you came from Poland. Most Kosovo Serbs settled in Kosovo during the 1930s with the colonisation program. Albania never existed as a state prior to 19th century, those were just some refugee mountains. Had it not been for Slavic / Serb expanionism and Russia and the West supporting you, Albania would of been much bigger as a state and rightfully so as those areas were majority Albanian after all.