Do New World Whites tend to be fairer-complexioned than their Old World counterparts? If so, why?

[Zeno]

Ulster Scots or what Americans call 'Scotch-Irish' ?

I don't know. I just searched for Irish Americans and I saw that 51% were Protestant, while only 36% were Catholic. I don't think Ulster Scots affected the percentage much.

Ulster Scots themselves are predominantly Calvinists with minor Methodist and Episcopalian elements.

[Creoda]

I don't know. I just searched for Irish Americans and I saw that 51% were Protestant, while only 36% were Catholic. I don't think Ulster Scots affected the percentage much.

Ulster Scots themselves are predominantly Calvinists with minor Methodist and Episcopalian elements.

From the first two paragraphs of the Irish Americans wikipedia page:

In contrast to Ireland, surveys since the 1970s have shown consistent majorities or pluralities of Americans who self-identify as being of Irish ancestry as also self-identifying as being Protestant,[8][9] and are actually mostly Scotch-Irish,[10][11] the American descendants of Ulster Protestants (mostly Ulster Scots) who emigrated from Ireland to the United States en masse from the early 18th century through the early 1920s.[12]

Three million people separately self-identified as Scotch-Irish,[1] but demographers have long assumed the U.S. Census Bureau self-identification estimate of the Scotch-Irish to be a serious undercount (in part, because along with English and other British ancestries, many Scotch-Irish self-identify as being of "American ancestry").[13][14] While some argue that the Scotch-Irish should be considered Irish,[15] considering that conversions by Irish Catholics during the Reformation in Ireland to Protestant churches were historically rare,[16] and that intermarriage between Protestants and Catholics in both Ireland and in the United States was also historically rare[list 1] while interethnic and interdenominational marriage amongst Protestants in Ulster was relatively common,[list 2] multiple historians have argued instead that the "Scotch-Irish" distinction remains necessary as the Ulster Protestants remain a distinct ethnoreligious group from the Irish Catholics.[list 3]

Defiinitely a large chunk of who's counted as Irish Americans are Ulster Scots, many of whom won't make the distinction, or don't know about it.

[Zeno]

From the first two paragraphs of the Irish Americans wikipedia page:

Defiinitely a large chunk of who's counted as Irish Americans are Ulster Scots, many of whom won't make the distinction, or don't know about it.

Well, Irish Americans in total account for 33 million people, according to Wikipedia. Ulster Scots in total are 3 million, which is 9% of all counted as Irish Americans.

[Creoda]

Well, Irish Americans in total account for 33 million people, according to Wikipedia. Ulster Scots in total are 3 million, which is 9% of all counted as Irish Americans.

Yeah, but it's saying that most of the people who self-identify on the census as both Irish and Protestant (51% of the 33 million) are actually Ulster-Scots/Scotch-Irish, and Ulster Scots are hugely undercounted for that reason, also because they self-identify as simply American. That's not unreasonable if you know about American history and the huge influence they've had there. Around half the US Presidents have been partly of fully Ulster Scot Protestants I believe, whereas JFK was the only Irish Catholic. The South is heavily Ulster Scottish and up until the mid to late 19th century they were probably the second largest group in the US after English. The Wikipedia article on Scots-Irish Americans estimates their population in 2004 as 27m, or 9.2% of the US population.

[Tooting Carmen]

No since new world whites get more sunshine thus get a tan. Where I live basically anyone would easily get a tan overtime. If we are talking about about untanned skin color then the difference would be insignificant.

Read what I said in the OP carefully. I am not talking about temporary suntans: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5891831

[hmaohma78]

I think the exotic types in latin america get grouped with the mixed race population. Thats why I think you may have a perception that latin America whites are lighter. I will agree that white Americans tend to be more robust then the British from my observations. As for the part of being more blonde their could be a higher rate In America and Australia; but Isn't that affected by the sun since Australia and the Usa get a lot more sunshine then in the British isles.

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

I think they're somewhere in between. Rarely do I meet a New World Anglo that looks like the Nordic types found in Scandinavia, but rarely do I also see one that looks particularly Mediterranean. It seems mostly a strangely in-between, standard white look.

[JamesBond007]

Well, Irish Americans in total account for 33 million people, according to Wikipedia. Ulster Scots in total are 3 million, which is 9% of all counted as Irish Americans.

I am not sure but it seems to me having an 'Irish' name in America means nothing. For instance, you find Irish/German mixed, Irish/German/British mixed (which are essentially middle English) people, Irish/Italian(pseudo-french) mixed, Irish/Jewish mixes the latter more on the east coast and a minority etc...

On paper I am 'Irish', German and English and I have a hiberno-norman name and I was born in New York USA but here is my G25 top 3 pops:

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03097093 Welsh

[Petalpusher]

I think it's the other way and can even be observed here. At least for Americans, many look impossible for their ancestries. It's also a matter of undistinctive features.

[JamesBond007]

Well, Irish Americans in total account for 33 million people, according to Wikipedia. Ulster Scots in total are 3 million, which is 9% of all counted as Irish Americans.

It seems to me this is not reliable information. For instance, in America 'Irish' is the politically correct 'white' ancestry so you can have someone with one Irish grandparent claiming to be 'Irish' on an American census. They have a term for that in Ireland called 'plastic paddies'.