A message for users lamenting over whether to take a Y dna test or not

[Morena]

Why is finding the subcaldes important for the average person? I can understand research purposes, but what does a hobbyist gain?


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[Damião de Góis]

Morley is a website where you can upload your raw data for free and it will predict your Y-DNA. Most of times accurately. Honestly if you got P312 you can be anything under the haplotree as you posted previously, you will only be sure when you test it.

I tried uploading to Morley but it can't read my file. Seems like it was made for FTDNA.

Why is finding the subcaldes important for the average person? I can understand research purposes, but what does a hobbyist gain?


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Because knowing you are R1b is too broad and not very useful. Different regions of Europe have different subclades.
Same goes for other haplogroups.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I tried uploading to Morley but it can't read my file. Seems like it was made for FTDNA.

Unzip your raw data first and try uploading it. It should read 23andMe raw data (it did mine) but I am not sure if it will with V2.

[Damião de Góis]

Unzip your raw data first and try uploading it. It should read 23andMe raw data (it did mine) but I am not sure if it will with V2.

I had to choose FTDNA format for it to work, so i'm not sure how accurate these results are:

Experimental tree

Spoiler!

ISOGG tree

Spoiler!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I had to choose FTDNA format for it to work, so i'm not sure how accurate these results are:

Experimental tree

Spoiler!

ISOGG tree

Spoiler!

They seem accurate, they gave you what you already knew (P312). So basically it didn't help you that much, you will need to do a test to find out more.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Btw it gave you negative for L21 and U152 so there's a chance you're not one of these branches.

[MagnusDark]

Why is finding the subcaldes important for the average person? I can understand research purposes, but what does a hobbyist gain?


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It’s true YDNA is not as important as the value placed upon it. Nor does it indicate actual ancestry but only the ancestors of one direct ancestor at a far point in time. The reason discovering the particular clade is important to people is because it can help with deciphering ancestry of the most recent ancestor on the paternal line. This is why full genomes tests are becoming more popular. What they can gain aside from the research is a more grounded telling of their origins which is important if facts Trump oral histories.

[Morena]

It’s true YDNA is not as important as the value placed upon it. Nor does it indicate actual ancestry but only the ancestors of one direct ancestor at a far point in time. The reason discovering the particular clade is important to people is because it can help with deciphering ancestry of the most recent ancestor on the paternal line. This is why full genomes tests are becoming more popular. What they can gain aside from the research is a more grounded telling of their origins which is important if facts Trump oral histories.

Thanks. That is a good answer. I wondered since the clades that people are more detailed than just a general subclade (for example: R1b-L12), which I can understand wanting to know. Funny enough, women don't seem to be that interested in learning their exact M haplogroup.

[Borealis]

I fucking refuse to spend money on that shit.

[Bellbeaking]

Dark pigmented trolloid - im going to ban you again bobby