Gedmatch results of a man from Kavadarci, North Macedonia

**~~Aspar~~** · 03-24-2019, 07:37 PM

I always wondered why my North Sea is so high on Eurogenes K15 (16.02) in comparision with other Macedonian kits...
Now I have a kit of a man from Kavadarci, a city 79 km North-East of where I am from in the region of Vardar Valley.
It seems that there is an increased level of North Sea component along the Vardar River Valley, unlike the other parts of the country where North Sea is lower, and Baltic and Atlantic higher...

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.33
2 Baltic 21.25
3 West_Med 20.48
4 East_Med 20.33
5 West_Asian 9.71
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 South_Asian 0.71
8 Siberian 0.65
9 Northeast_African 0.1
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09
11 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 4.64
2 Romanian 4.89
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.06
4 Serbian 8.32
5 Tuscan 11.5
6 North_Italian 11.77
7 Italian_Abruzzo 13.88
8 Moldavian 14.76
9 West_Sicilian 14.81
10 Central_Greek 15.03
11 East_Sicilian 16.13
12 Hungarian 16.25
13 Croatian 17.28
14 Portuguese 17.93
15 Austrian 17.99
16 Ashkenazi 18.02
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.62
18 French 18.79
19 Spanish_Extremadura 18.81
20 South_Italian 18.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% North_Italian @ 1.37
2 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.8
3 82.4% Bulgarian + 17.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.88
4 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% Sardinian @ 1.94
5 81.6% Bulgarian + 18.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.95
6 82.5% Bulgarian + 17.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.99
7 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2
8 71.9% Greek_Thessaly + 28.1% East_German @ 2
9 83.6% Bulgarian + 16.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.01
10 71.9% Romanian + 28.1% Tuscan @ 2.06
11 81.2% Bulgarian + 18.8% Portuguese @ 2.1
12 81.8% Bulgarian + 18.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.15
13 83% Bulgarian + 17% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.19
14 69.7% Greek_Thessaly + 30.3% Austrian @ 2.19
15 84.5% Bulgarian + 15.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.26
16 82.7% Bulgarian + 17.3% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.29
17 53.9% West_Sicilian + 46.1% Croatian @ 2.29
18 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Tuscan @ 2.37
19 63.1% West_Sicilian + 36.9% Ukrainian @ 2.39
20 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Southwest_French @ 2.42

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% West_Sicilian @ 2.780503

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Bulgarian +25% North_Italian @ 1.487589

Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.456111
2 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian @ 1.487589
3 Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.533126
4 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 1.564849
5 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 1.651452
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Croatian + North_Italian @ 1.673218
7 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Polish @ 1.680468
8 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Polish @ 1.703501
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + Romanian @ 1.704375
10 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian + West_Sicilian @ 1.733593
11 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Southwest_French + Ukrainian @ 1.748044
12 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 1.752260
13 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Serbian @ 1.754686
14 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 1.755313
15 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.763354
16 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + West_Sicilian @ 1.764981
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Polish + Tuscan @ 1.767289
18 Bulgarian + Croatian + East_Sicilian + North_Italian @ 1.772677
19 Bulgarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.772686
20 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + North_Italian @ 1.788987

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 18.58
2 North_Sea 18.41
3 West_Med 16.72
4 Baltic 12.98
5 Atlantic 12.77
6 Eastern_Euro 9.53
7 West_Asian 9.1
8 Red_Sea 1.49
9 Northeast_African 0.35
10 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.34
2 Greek_Thessaly 7.34
3 Bulgarian 7.45
4 Serbian 8.78
5 Greek 10.34
6 Tuscan 11.71
7 North_Italian 12.97
8 Italian_Abruzzo 13.63
9 Moldavian 13.9
10 Central_Greek 14.09
11 Ashkenazi 14.23
12 West_Sicilian 14.96
13 East_Sicilian 14.96
14 Hungarian 15.16
15 Croatian 16.14
16 Austrian 16.22
17 South_Italian 17.42
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.59
19 Portuguese 17.91
20 French 18.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% North_Swedish @ 3.59
2 69.8% Greek_Thessaly + 30.2% Hungarian @ 3.62
3 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.63
4 74.5% Greek_Thessaly + 25.5% East_German @ 3.63
5 55.7% Greek_Thessaly + 44.3% Serbian @ 3.74
6 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% Finnish @ 3.74
7 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% East_Finnish @ 3.96
8 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% Norwegian @ 3.99
9 81.5% Greek_Thessaly + 18.5% Swedish @ 4
10 78.1% Greek_Thessaly + 21.9% Ukrainian @ 4.05
11 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Estonian @ 4.09
12 82.8% Greek_Thessaly + 17.2% West_Norwegian @ 4.15
13 80.3% Greek_Thessaly + 19.7% Polish @ 4.16
14 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% South_Polish @ 4.2
15 69% Greek_Thessaly + 31% Moldavian @ 4.31
16 72.5% Greek_Thessaly + 27.5% Austrian @ 4.32
17 72.4% Greek_Thessaly + 27.6% Croatian @ 4.32
18 78% Greek_Thessaly + 22% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.35
19 76.5% Greek_Thessaly + 23.5% West_German @ 4.36
20 81.8% Greek_Thessaly + 18.2% Danish @ 4.38

His Eurogenes K15 map:

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.17 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.65 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 11.11 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.20 Pct
East_Med 3.15 Pct
Eastern_Euro 7.42 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 3.57 Pct
Iberian 13.65 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.17 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 11.91 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.67 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.78 Pct
North_Sea 4.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.53 Pct
West_Med 3.91 Pct

Eurogenes K36 Similarity Map:

Dodecad K12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.97
2 Atlantic_Med 28.52
3 Caucasus 25.23
4 Southwest_Asian 7.67
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 Northwest_African 0.91
7 East_African 0.09
8 Siberian 0.07
9 South_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 6.77
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.19
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.76
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.88
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.34
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.34
7 Greek (Dodecad) 15.57
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.74
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.14
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.35
11 Hungarians (Behar) 17.76
12 German (Dodecad) 21.47
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.6
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.61
15 French (Dodecad) 22.07
16 French (HGDP) 22.12
17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.29
18 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 22.37
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 23.64
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 45.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.05
2 62.1% German (Dodecad) + 37.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.26
3 67.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.52
4 74.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.61
5 54.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 45.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
6 76% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.77
7 80.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.77
8 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
9 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.83
10 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.87
11 81.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.6% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.93
12 50.9% German (Dodecad) + 49.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2
13 58.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 41.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.01
14 77.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.24
15 69.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.1% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
16 67.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.33
17 78.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.7% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.37
18 68.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.38
19 52.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 47.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.39
20 78.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.4

puntDNAL K13 Global:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 35.97
2 NE_Europe 33.73
3 West_Asia 16.37
4 SW_Asia 9.85
5 South_Africa 1.72
6 Siberia 1.64
7 South_Asia 0.46
8 Oceania 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian 3.42
2 Bulgarian 4.17
3 Montenegrin 4.79
4 Romanian 5.29
5 Serbian 6.02
6 Kosovar 7.32
7 Albanian 7.93
8 Italian_Tuscan 8.24
9 Greek_Thessaly 8.83
10 Italian_Bergamo 9.22
11 Bosnian 9.42
12 Croatian 10.9
13 Moldavian 11.54
14 French 12.13
15 Spaniard 12.64
16 Hungarian 13.52
17 German_South 13.84
18 Greek_Central 13.96
19 Slovene 14.13
20 Italian_Abruzzo 14.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.1% Macedonian + 1.9% San @ 2.43
2 97.8% Macedonian + 2.2% Ju_Hoan @ 2.43
3 84.5% Italian_Tuscan + 15.5% Finnish @ 2.54
4 97.5% Macedonian + 2.5% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 2.57
5 78.5% Italian_Tuscan + 21.5% Mordovian @ 2.62
6 97.4% Macedonian + 2.6% Dolgan @ 2.72
7 97.6% Macedonian + 2.4% Koryak @ 2.73
8 96.8% Macedonian + 3.2% Selkup @ 2.74
9 98% Macedonian + 2% Nganasan @ 2.74
10 97.7% Macedonian + 2.3% Yakut @ 2.77
11 97.7% Macedonian + 2.3% Chukchi @ 2.78
12 79.8% Italian_Tuscan + 20.2% Russian @ 2.79
13 69.9% French + 30.1% Turkish @ 2.81
14 97.8% Macedonian + 2.2% Biaka_Pygmy @ 2.82
15 71.5% Belgian + 28.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.84
16 55.9% Italian_Sicilian + 44.1% Swedish @ 2.85
17 72% French + 28% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.87
18 97.4% Macedonian + 2.6% Tuvinian @ 2.87
19 71.9% Belgian + 28.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.88
20 97.7% Macedonian + 2.3% Eskimo @ 2.88

HungryLion · 03-24-2019, 07:45 PM

Is this guy from "skopska crna gora" ?
He have some vibe like montenegrin Serb? ( just askin don't provoke, what do u know about his family?)...?

**~~Aspar~~** · 03-24-2019, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by HungryLion

Is this guy from "skopska crna gora" ?
He have some vibe like montenegrin Serb? ( just askin don't provoke, what do u know about his family?)...?

No he is not.
He is from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavadarci

His high similarity with Montenegro on Eurogenes K36 Similarity Map comes from the fact that he's got Germanic/North Italian admixture on top of Bulgarian/Thessalian like.

HungryLion · 03-24-2019, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Aspar

No he is not.
He is from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavadarci

His high similarity with Montenegro on Eurogenes K36 Similarity Map comes from the fact that he's got Germanic/North Italian admixture on top of Bulgarian/Thessalian like.

Okay...His result remined me of some southern montenegrin version...Do you have K12b Dodecad?
Also I don't think this guy have any Bulgarian influance.

**~~Aspar~~** · 03-24-2019, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by HungryLion

Okay...His result remined me of some southern montenegrin version...Do you have K12b Dodecad?
Also I don't think this guy have any Bulgarian influance.

Eurogenes K13:

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Bulgarian +25% North_Italian @ 1.487589

Dodecad K12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.97
2 Atlantic_Med 28.52
3 Caucasus 25.23
4 Southwest_Asian 7.67
5 Gedrosia 5.51
6 Northwest_African 0.91
7 East_African 0.09
8 Siberian 0.07
9 South_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 6.77
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.19
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.76
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.88
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.34
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.34
7 Greek (Dodecad) 15.57
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.74
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.14
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.35
11 Hungarians (Behar) 17.76
12 German (Dodecad) 21.47
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.6
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 21.61
15 French (Dodecad) 22.07
16 French (HGDP) 22.12
17 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 22.29
18 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 22.37
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 23.64
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 23.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 45.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.05
2 62.1% German (Dodecad) + 37.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.26
3 67.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.52
4 74.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.61
5 54.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 45.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.63
6 76% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 24% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.77
7 80.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.77
8 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
9 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.83
10 77.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.87
11 81.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.6% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.93
12 50.9% German (Dodecad) + 49.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2
13 58.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 41.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.01
14 77.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.24
15 69.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.1% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.27
16 67.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.33
17 78.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.7% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.37
18 68.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.38
19 52.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 47.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.39
20 78.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.5% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.4

HungryLion · 03-24-2019, 08:02 PM

Ok...I was thinkin acordin to K15 and K13 that he maybe can have about 34-35% north euro...I would say he seem like regular Macedonian.

**~~Cumansky~~** · 03-27-2019, 03:24 AM

I got Macedonian match recently MyHeritage, is this normal average?

87.4% Greek
6.8% Iberian
5.8% Italian

**~~Aspar~~** · 03-27-2019, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Cumansky

I got Macedonian match recently MyHeritage, is this normal average?

87.4% Greek
6.8% Iberian
5.8% Italian

Not even the Macedonian Greeks get that kind of result on MyHeritage.
It's usually a split between Greek and Balkan or 2/3 Greek and 1/3 Balkan.
That's more a result of a man from Peloponnesus or Central Greece