Danish Zeelander sample K36 Eurogenes map (R-M269)

[Leto]

Purest? Danes are clearly the most british/northgerman/anglo-saxon shifted scandinavians.
That kind of admixture falls steadily when you move up through Sweden and Norway.

Danes are still scandos, no question, but most "pure" is probably the area around Sweden/Norway southern border.

I was implying the 'impurity' is usually understood as a Finnish/Saami influence. The Danes are super Germanic.

[Matxe92]

I was implying the 'impurity' is usually understood as a Finnish/Saami influence. The Danes are super Germanic.

Danes are the most pure scandinavians in that sense yes. I think your right. 100% North-Germanic.

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[Matxe92]

Is that like a sort of scandinavian flag version of the UK flag?
Cross looks kinda moved to the side.

[Smitty]

Purest? Danes are clearly the most british/northgerman/anglo-saxon shifted scandinavians.
That kind of admixture falls steadily when you move up through Sweden and Norway.

Danes are still scandos, no question, but most "pure" is probably the area around Sweden/Norway southern border.

Is that admixture or just shifting, though? Being closer to Brits and Germans doesn't mean Danes necessarily have admixture from those regions. Do you think there was much mixing with North Germans? That would not surprise me.

[Matxe92]

Is that admixture or just shifting, though? Being closer to Brits and Germans doesn't mean Danes necessarily have admixture from those regions. Do you think there was much mixing with North Germans? That would not surprise me.

No i didn't mean we have admixture "from there" Genetically, recent evidence seem to suggest that danish vikings and the danelaw, that danes did not bring back foreigners to their homeland. Danes did settle the british isles.
But we were probably already similiar before the viking age, the vikings just added to that similiarity slightly. So no, admixture was not brought from britain to denmark. It's the other way around.

As for mixing with north germans.
I mean in the last 1000 years, we have been building forts on the border etc. to protect us from the germans. So relations have been defensive for the most part.
I actually think, the main gradient of north german vs. danish ethnics lies in the Schleswig region, which is now germany. Up from there it's pretty pure danish id say.

[TeutonicBoyars]

Goes to show that Scandinavians are much more related to northwestern euros than a lot of people like to say


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r u retarded?

Every fucking Brit on these kinds of forums loves to talk about "muh blonde viking ancestor " and "muh danelaw" and how "close" they are to Scandinavians. Imagine being so self-hating about your native iron-age Briton/Celtic origins that you need to cling to the fact that a few of your ancestors might have been rape children.

Anyway, incidentally I'm also for Zealand and my cluster, when removing Russian ancestry, is closer to Swedes first, then North Germans, then Norwegians. Other Danish kits I've monitored have followed similar suit. So genetically speaking, Danes are most similar to other Scandinavians IMO, and more in-depth DNA tests (i.e., ones that aren't carried out by freeware tools) confirm this as well, which I would be happy to reference upon request.

[Smitty]

No i didn't mean we have admixture "from there" Genetically, recent evidence seem to suggest that danish vikings and the danelaw, that danes did not bring back foreigners to their homeland. Danes did settle the british isles.
But we were probably already similiar before the viking age, the vikings just added to that similiarity slightly. So no, admixture was not brought from britain to denmark. It's the other way around.

As for mixing with north germans.
I mean in the last 1000 years, we have been building forts on the border etc. to protect us from the germans. So relations have been defensive for the most part.
I actually think, the main gradient of north german vs. danish ethnics lies in the Schleswig region, which is now germany. Up from there it's pretty pure danish id say.

That makes sense. In that case, Danes should be as purely Scandinavian as Norwegians. They're closer genetically to Britain only because Brits are part Danish.

In Schleswig-Holstein, haven't the two co-existed for centuries? I have ancestry from there, and it seems difficult to nail down what's German and what's Danish. Obviously, though, these were duchies and therefore different from the situation in Denmark proper.

[Matxe92]

r u retarded?

Every fucking Brit on these kinds of forums loves to talk about "muh blonde viking ancestor " and "muh danelaw" and how "close" they are to Scandinavians. Imagine being so self-hating about your native iron-age Briton/Celtic origins that you need to cling to the fact that a few of your ancestors might have been rape children.

Anyway, incidentally I'm also for Zealand and my cluster, when removing Russian ancestry, is closer to Swedes first, then North Germans, then Norwegians. Other Danish kits I've monitored have followed similar suit. So genetically speaking, Danes are most similar to other Scandinavians IMO, and more in-depth DNA tests (i.e., ones that aren't carried out by freeware tools) confirm this as well, which I would be happy to reference upon request.

First part was pretty hilarious to read haha, kudos to you.
Regarding the last part of your comment:
There are defintely varying degrees of more northwest eu related admix and then scandinavian admix in pure danes. I've seen some get a 50/50 but also some get 100% scandi.
For my case, 60-65% out of 75% of my danish ancestry is being recognized as scandinavian. So that's on the higher end for the most part.
Just for illustrative purposes, this is my original K36 map without the 25% russian removed, as you can see im also more closely related to swedes and norwegians. Even more so than the 100% dane sample.

[TeutonicBoyars]

First part was pretty hilarious to read haha, kudos to you.
Regarding the last part of your comment:
There are defintely varying degrees of more northwest eu related admix and then scandinavian admix in pure danes. I've seen some get a 50/50 but also some get 100% scandi.
For my case, 60-65% out of 75% of my danish ancestry is being recognized as scandinavian. So that's on the higher end for the most part.
Just for illustrative purposes, this is my original K36 map without the 25% russian removed, as you can see im also more closely related to swedes and norwegians. Even more so than the 100% dane sample.

The thing is, with your Polish ancestry not excluded, this actually makes more sense, and I think it might be an underlying issue with how the K36 similarity tool excludes selected groups. When you excluded whatever the EE sample, I think the took might have negatively impacted your Baltic/EE score, which alll Danes have to some degree by default, certainly much more than the Brits do, and I think that's what ultimately makes Scandinavians an identifiable and homogenous group when doing GEDMatch tests. In other words, artificially excluding part of your DNA which was majority Baltic/Slavic skewed the Danish result by perhaps removing too much of it, thus pulling your result towards the British Isles. I hope I explained that clearly, sorry if there's confusion.