Tupac "2Pac" Shakur (A 20-Minute BET Interview)

[Óttar]

Tupac and Feminism [...]

I wrote a piece on this subject comparing Tupac with Robert Crumb, the '60s counter culture cartoonist. Both expressed how when they were in grade school, they felt that they were like the girls, and both explain how the girls were attracted to the assholes. In the case of Crumb, it was the kid who bullied him (nicknamed 'Skutch') that all the girls liked. Both Tupac and Crumb have been called misogynists. Their experience reinforces my belief that a misogynist is made not born. Indeed, many males' natural state is as a philogynist, but this philogyny inverts into misogyny when they experience the psychological wound of rejection and betrayal by women in early life. Feminist discourse likes to talk about how 'Nice Guys' are disingenuous and act "entitled" but these feminist types are never able to admit that there exists an almost inherent masochism embedded in female sexuality. Furthermore, I hold that a "nice guy"'s being nice toward women is an expression of his inherent nature, rather than a merely deceptive and ineffective mating strategy. This "niceness", this inherent philogyny, is something which is beaten out of us by a f-cked up society; a society that women's mating choices help to perpetuate.

[Phenix]

Whats funny is all three of us have semites in our avatar

Bare yourself another Arab came straight outta desert.

[ModernMaskil]

Excuse my misunderstanding of your previous sentence.

Do you mean Berbers? we can talk about that in a different topic, it's true they are a separate culture, but genetically similar to rest of Maghrebis.

Yes. I believe the Amazigh culture is strongest in Morocco. Is the above not a common view held by Algerians?

[Dorian]

I wrote a piece on this subject comparing Tupac with Robert Crumb, the '60s counter culture cartoonist. Both expressed how when they were in grade school, they felt that they were like the girls, and both explain how the girls were attracted to the assholes. In the case of Crumb, it was the kid who bullied him (nicknamed 'Skutch') that all the girls liked. Both Tupac and Crumb have been called misogynists. Their experience reinforces my belief that a misogynist is made not born. Indeed, many males' natural state is as a philogynist, but this philogyny inverts into misogyny when they experience the psychological wound of rejection and betrayal by women in early life. Feminist discourse likes to talk about how 'Nice Guys' are disingenuous and act "entitled" but these feminist types are never able to admit that there exists an almost inherent masochism embedded in female sexuality. Furthermore, I hold that a "nice guy"'s being nice toward women is an expression of his inherent nature, rather than a merely deceptive and ineffective mating strategy. This "niceness", this inherent philogyny, is something which is beaten out of us by a f-cked up society; a society that women's mating choices help to perpetuate.

Nice analysis mate but beware you might get called certain names(by projecting NPC trash) If you imply certain things in public.
On the other hand,I don't know If in our ancestral hunter-gatherer tribes such things mattered,I mean things were what they were,full stop.
I get that by philogyny&inherent nice attitude you mean the trope of men being the real romantics? but anyways no matter what you mean,this kind of "excessive" philogyny is also perpetuated to an extent by society as much as its opposite.

[Carlito's Way]

greatest legend in the world, I do think he is alive though

[Daco Celtic]

Bump this

[Óttar]

Nice analysis mate but beware you might get called certain names(by projecting NPC trash) If you imply certain things in public.
On the other hand,I don't know If in our ancestral hunter-gatherer tribes such things mattered,I mean things were what they were,full stop.
I get that by philogyny&inherent nice attitude you mean the trope of men being the real romantics? but anyways no matter what you mean,this kind of "excessive" philogyny is also perpetuated to an extent by society as much as its opposite.

Yes, people are generally too stupid to understand what I'm saying, but my analysis is grounded in Jungian psychology.

The Mother archetype is the most prominent archetype in the human psyche. The Hero, who represents an autonomous self-actualized man, is in distant second. This explains the proliferation of goddess statues in classical antiquity as well as devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary throughout the Mediterranean to this day.

Of course, a boy's first relationship is with his mother, who he perceives as not being distinct from himself. The boy perceives himself as a mere extension of his mother's body, which is like a microcosm of the entire world. This identification with mother-as-self and mother-as-world can manifest as narcissism i.e. a (false) sense of omnipotence and grandiosity. In this way, a boy begins his life as a philogynist of sorts.

To make a long story short, traditional societies have some kind of initiation rite which leads the boy from the feminine world of the domestic sphere to the men's world of the hunting ground or marketplace. This process is traumatic, but it's normal. "The Hero's Journey" in literature is well known and has been written about extensively.


It is my view that many "Nice Guys" are those who have not, and will not (due to fixation), lose their psychological identification with the Feminine or the Mother principle. It is fixed. It will not change. Like I said, both Tupac and Robert Crumb relate experiences of identifying with girls and women in grade school. Both of them were rejected by girls romantically on account of their being "too nice." This romantic rejection by females, and women often choosing the very assholes and bullies who tormented them in school is, quite understandably, experienced as a psychological wound which in turn leads to misogyny. Therefore, misogyny comes about as an inversion of the philogyny that is a part of their intrinsic nature. Feminist discourse, in choosing to focus on "entitlement" completely misses this truth and does not take into account women's culpability in this phenomenon.

If feminists truly want to "smash patriarchy", they would find a way to understand and accommodate these "nice guys", these 'devotees of the goddess' so to speak, to put an end to misogyny.

[Dorian]

Yes, people are generally too stupid to understand what I'm saying, but my analysis is grounded in Jungian psychology.

The Mother archetype is the most prominent archetype in the human psyche. The Hero, who represents an autonomous self-actualized man, is in distant second. This explains the proliferation of goddess statues in classical antiquity as well as devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary throughout the Mediterranean to this day.

Of course, a boy's first relationship is with his mother, who he perceives as not being distinct from himself. The boy perceives himself as a mere extension of his mother's body, which is like a microcosm of the entire world. This identification with mother-as-self and mother-as-world can manifest as narcissism i.e. a (false) sense of omnipotence and grandiosity. In this way, a boy begins his life as a philogynist of sorts.

To make a long story short, traditional societies have some kind of initiation rite which leads the boy from the feminine world of the domestic sphere to the men's world of the hunting ground or marketplace. This process is traumatic, but it's normal. "The Hero's Journey" in literature is well known and has been written about extensively.


It is my view that many "Nice Guys" are those who have not, and will not (due to fixation), lose their psychological identification with the Feminine or the Mother principle. It is fixed. It will not change. Like I said, both Tupac and Robert Crumb relate experiences of identifying with girls and women in grade school. Both of them were rejected by girls romantically on account of their being "too nice." This romantic rejection by females, and women often choosing the very assholes and bullies who tormented them in school is, quite understandably, experienced as a psychological wound which in turn leads to misogyny. Therefore, misogyny comes about as an inversion of the philogyny that is a part of their intrinsic nature. Feminist discourse, in choosing to focus on "entitlement" completely misses this truth and does not take into account women's culpability in this phenomenon.

If feminists truly want to "smash patriarchy", they would find a way to understand and accommodate these "nice guys", these 'devotees of the goddess' so to speak, to put an end to misogyny.

Great stuff again,I'll take a look at "The Hero's Journey" thing..

[Dalila]