German GEDmatch results

[Lucas]

The Münster and Detmold administrative districts are pretty Northern

Yes, Arnsberg too is Westfalen.

This land is new entity. Always Westfalen was part of Saxon ethnic realm and Nordrhein was extension of Rheinland (Pfalz was different region but genetically very similar).

[Leto]

Yes, Arnsberg too is Westfalen.

This land is new entity. Always Westfalen was part of Saxon ethnic realm and Nordrhein was extension of Rheinland (Pfalz was different region but genetically very similar).

But is Hessen actually Southern Germany?

[Lucas]

But is Hessen actually Southern Germany?

For me it is west-central but I understand that Creoda wanted to have dual partition. And Hessen is closer to south than north.

[Jana]

Average of 18 Southern German results (Bavaria, Baden-Wurttemburg, Rhineland-Pfalz & Hessia)

German_South,41.78,22.89,16.36,6.24,9.41,1.09,0.52,0.25,0.31,0.42,0.38,0.18,0.11

Distance to:	German_South
1.40085688	France_Alsace
2.24519487	Swiss_German2
2.40937751	Pennsylvania_Dutch
2.46369641	Swiss_German
3.10378801	France_north-east
4.25241108	Belgian
4.27588587	German_West
5.38879393	Flemish
5.43031307	Afrikaner
6.07754062	Swiss_French
6.33097939	German
6.45768534	France_Central
8.56256387	France_north-west
8.69923560	Austrian
9.13985230	French
9.46383115	English_Southeast
9.86094316	English_Midlands
10.16089563	Italian_Aosta_Valley
10.34730883	English
10.35703143	Dutch
10.52942069	English_Southwest
10.67860946	North_German
11.13780948	Dutch_Central
11.22266902	English_North
11.43776202	Welsh

Target: German_South
Distance: 0.1943% / 0.19428689 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.1	Swiss_German2
34.4	Flemish
8.5	Croat_West

Target: German_South
Distance: 0.5789% / 0.57891961 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.8	France_Alsace
23.2	Belgian

Target: German_South
Distance: 0.3811% / 0.38109367 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.2	Swiss_German2
23.6	France_Alsace
16.8	German
14.1	Pennsylvania_Dutch
8.3	Belgian

Average of 22 Northwest German results (Lower Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein, Hamburg & NRW)

German_Northwest,48.15,27.06,11.62,5.35,3.94,0.84,1.28,0.13,0.43,0.44,0.40,0.15,0.14

Distance to:	German_Northwest
2.28516958	Dutch
2.36586137	Dutch_Central
2.47967740	North_German
2.59079138	Dutch_North
3.80320917	Denmark
4.26923881	Icelandic
4.30864248	English_North
4.32463871	Sweden_Götaland
4.42860023	Norway_South_Central
4.45269581	English
4.45912547	English_Southeast
4.48781684	English_Midlands
4.53018763	Norwegian
4.60625661	Orcadian
4.91450913	Swedish
5.11561336	Sweden_Svealand_West
5.23874031	English_Southwest
5.33401350	Welsh
5.70074557	Scottish
6.09453033	Irish_Leinster
6.18203850	Flemish
6.29612579	France_north-west
6.48151217	German
6.68440723	West_Scottish
6.68973094	German_West

Target: German_Northwest
Distance: 0.6313% / 0.63132538 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
83.4	Dutch_North
16.6	Austrian

Target: German_Northwest
Distance: 0.4435% / 0.44350357 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.7	Dutch
20.1	Swedish
20.0	North_German
8.2	German

w/o North German and German references

Target: German_Northwest
Distance: 0.6073% / 0.60733228 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.2	Norway_South_Central
25.8	Swiss_German2

Target: German_Northwest
Distance: 0.3588% / 0.35884866 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.1	Dutch
38.4	Denmark
11.6	Austrian
0.5	Punjabi_Jat
0.4	Swedish

Target: German_Northwest
Distance: 0.3209% / 0.32085763 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.6	Swedish
28.8	German_West
24.6	Scottish

Stark difference.

Looks great! Much better than current west and north German average, that's for sure. I wouldn't mind if they replaced them.

[Creoda]

Looks great! Much better than current west and north German average, that's for sure. I wouldn't mind if they replaced them.

Thanks! I don't think the current West German average needs to be replaced though, it's between these two averages, so perhaps better represents some Central West Germans, or mixed West Germans.

And here's a new weighted German average based on the approximate populations of the thirds of Germany - S. German avg x2, NW German avg x2, E. German avg x1.

German,43.4,26.85,13.90,5.80,6.46,0.94,0.93,0.16,0.34,0.46,0.37,0.16,0.13

Distance to:	German
3.45430167	German_West
4.78245753	Flemish
4.81241104	Afrikaner
4.94606915	Belgian
5.78409889	German_South
5.85647505	North_German
5.87374667	German_Northwest
6.64474228	France_Alsace
6.70114169	Dutch
7.15015384	English_Southeast
7.33023192	Austrian
7.34310561	Dutch_Central
7.37164161	France_north-east
7.46327676	France_north-west
7.47537290	English_Midlands
7.65730370	Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.82503674	English
7.90385982	Swiss_German
7.97736172	Swiss_German2
8.27081012	Dutch_North
8.34796382	English_Southwest
8.36323502	English_North
8.98229926	Swedish
8.98983871	Welsh
9.35932156	Orcadian

Target: German
Distance: 0.1796% / 0.17959398 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.9	Belgian
28.2	German_East
17.1	German_Northwest
11.8	German_West

[Mr.G]

I don't think the current West German average needs to be replaced though, it's between these two averages, so perhaps better represents some Central West Germans, or mixed West Germans.

Agree, I think the current West German average is very reasonable. My mother should be about 15% English, and that's more or less what she scores using West German and English in source. Although my mother has southern German ancestry too, the larger bulk of her German ancestry is West.

Target: MrG-mom
Distance: 1.0765% / 1.07650237
82.6 German_West
17.4 English_Southeast

Target: MrG-mom
Distance: 1.0583% / 1.05828352
85.5 German_West
14.4 English_Southwest
0.1 English_Midlands

[Leto]

The problem with Germany is that a lot of ethnic Germans in former West Germany have a parent or grandparent from Silesia, Prussia and Sudetenland. Like Teutone for example.

[Gründig]

Thanks! I don't think the current West German average needs to be replaced though, it's between these two averages, so perhaps better represents some Central West Germans, or mixed West Germans.

And here's a new weighted German average based on the approximate populations of the thirds of Germany - S. German avg x2, NW German avg x2, E. German avg x1.

German,43.4,26.85,13.90,5.80,6.46,0.94,0.93,0.16,0.34,0.46,0.37,0.16,0.13

Distance to:	German
3.45430167	German_West
4.78245753	Flemish
4.81241104	Afrikaner
4.94606915	Belgian
5.78409889	German_South
5.85647505	North_German
5.87374667	German_Northwest
6.64474228	France_Alsace
6.70114169	Dutch
7.15015384	English_Southeast
7.33023192	Austrian
7.34310561	Dutch_Central
7.37164161	France_north-east
7.46327676	France_north-west
7.47537290	English_Midlands
7.65730370	Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.82503674	English
7.90385982	Swiss_German
7.97736172	Swiss_German2
8.27081012	Dutch_North
8.34796382	English_Southwest
8.36323502	English_North
8.98229926	Swedish
8.98983871	Welsh
9.35932156	Orcadian

Target: German
Distance: 0.1796% / 0.17959398 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.9	Belgian
28.2	German_East
17.1	German_Northwest
11.8	German_West

With the new German samples:

3.63994505 German_South
3.84512679 France_Alsace
3.84746670 German_West
4.13974637 German
4.35175827 German(new)
4.93688161 Swiss_German
5.23624866 Swiss_German2
5.50701371 Belgian
5.56682136 Afrikaner
5.74309150 France_north-east
5.76835332 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.10307300 Flemish
6.58058508 Austrian
7.86701341 Swiss_French
8.98581660 North_German
9.11175614 France_north-west
9.41302821 English_Southeast
9.49142244 German_Northwest
9.55678293 France_Central
9.83853139 Dutch
9.86310296 English_Midlands
10.28084627 English
10.56028409 Dutch_Central
10.70806705 English_Southwest
10.95269373 German_East

[Jana]

The problem with Germany is that a lot of ethnic Germans in former West Germany have a parent or grandparent from Silesia, Prussia and Sudetenland. Like Teutone for example.

It's present ofcourse, but not that lot. West Germany has giant population and vast majority (excluding foreigners) is fully native to it.
East German lands always had much lower population than those in the west.

[Leto]

It's present ofcourse, but not that lot. West Germany has giant population and vast majority (excluding foreigners) is fully native to it.
East German lands always had much lower population than those in the west.

I think several million people were expelled from those lands soon after the end of WW2, so that's not a small percentage. I'm not talking out of my ass, I've heard and read many Germans mentioning such refugees in their families.