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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    Catalonia FREE... FREEE... FREEE... ...Spaniards go home...
    Catalonia already is free (and more and more Islamized thanks its politicians) and Spaniards already are in their home.

    Worry better for the Veneto being free, Spain is none of your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Catalonia already is free (and more and more Islamized thanks its politicians) and Spaniards already are in their home.

    Worry better for the Veneto being free, Spain is none of your business.
    You Spaniards ( like French ect ect ) are our little and younger cousins ( in need of advice ) and therefore we Italians have to worry about your future..

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    You Spaniards ( like French ect ect ) are our little and younger cousins ( in need of advice ) and therefore we Italians have to worry about your future..
    You depend of Roma, yet you come here to talk about others, ja ja ja

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    You depend of Roma, yet you come here to talk about others, ja ja ja
    For a short time yet .. all thanks to this man


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jankec View Post
    Why are Latin Americans always so obsessed with Catalonia and against Catalan independence? I have already noticed that and posts od SK and alnortedelsur confirm it.

    I am personally against iz too, but I think that Catalons should have their rights and freedoms.
    My mom was full Spanish (from Mallorca), and I lived in Spain and became Spanish citizen, so is even more my business than in the case of any random Latin American.

    You talk like if Catalans were oppressed, when IRL their region enjoys a special autonomic status, even with their own police forces, and Madrid is too generous and allows them too much when their Catalan regional government goes too far almost wanting to suppress Castilian-Spanish from schools and from everywhere. The only oppressed are non-Catalan Spaniards living in Catalonia, and Madrid has been too permissive with Catalan authorities and their abuses. Even their industries are thanks to the Spanish central government, that (when Franco) planned to put many of the industries in that part of the country (as part of economic zoning national plan of the central government), and now Catalans act like they have those industries because they are smarter and more industrious than other Spaniards.

    Madrid has been so generous and permissive with them, giving them one hand, and they take all your arm.
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    El problema es que los catalanes étnicos se convirtieron en minoría debido a la migración desde otras regiones de España. Si la decisión fuese solo de ellos, la independencia sería un hecho. El otro problema es, por supuesto, el gobierno de Madrid y su retórica nacionalista y autoritaria.

    Lo deseable es que los catalanes elijan su destino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ch'aska View Post
    El problema es que los catalanes étnicos se convirtieron en minoría debido a la migración desde otras regiones de España. Si la decisión fuese solo de ellos, la independencia sería un hecho. El otro problema es, por supuesto, el gobierno de Madrid y su retórica nacionalista y autoritaria.

    Lo deseable es que los catalanes elijan su destino.

    ¿Qué es un catalán étnico?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ch'aska View Post
    El problema es que los catalanes étnicos se convirtieron en minoría debido a la migración desde otras regiones de España. Si la decisión fuese solo de ellos, la independencia sería un hecho. El otro problema es, por supuesto, el gobierno de Madrid y su retórica nacionalista y autoritaria.

    Lo deseable es que los catalanes elijan su destino.
    Catalans have not become a minority due to migration from other regions, it has happened that almost all families, especially in the city and province of Barcelona, have members from other regions of Spain, so that the grandchildren are actually half Catalan.
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