I support Catalonia Independance

[Stratagos]

Very Italic Roots post. All what your goal here is: trolling Spain


Absolutely FALSE. Independence movements are absolutely legal in Spain. Look if it is so, that separatist parties rules in Catalonia, Vascongadas and even Canarias.

It is France who forbid these movements, not Spain.
YOU ARE WELCOME... AGAIN.


Not the same. I would give the independence to the rest of Spain, I mean I want the rest of Spain could be independent of Catalonia

*vascagadas

[Tietar]

New survey shows more Catalans reject independence movement than support it

A poll by the regional Opinion Studies Center has found that 48.6% of respondents in Catalonia are against the separatist drive, up four points from March


https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/05/10...36_164146.html

[Deneb]

On 23 December 1990, more than 88% of the electorate voted for a sovereign and independent SLOVENIA. On 25 June 1991, Slovenia became independent.
In civilized societies, such issues are resolved through democratic referendums: Canada (Quebec), UK (Scotland), Denmark (Greenland), Slovenia, etc.

[Tietar]

On 23 December 1990, more than 88% of the electorate voted for a sovereign and independent SLOVENIA. On 25 June 1991, Slovenia became independent.
In civilized societies, such issues are resolved through democratic referendums (Quebec, Scotland, Slovenia, etc).

“Our founding fathers established the Constitution of the United States ‘in order to form a more perfect union’ through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government,” Mr. Carson wrote. “They enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot — a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all. But they did not provide a right to walk away from it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/u...rejection.html

“In the Federal Republic of Germany, which is a nation-state based on the constituent power of the German people, states are not ‘masters of the constitution’,” the court wrote in the decision. “Therefore there is no room under the constitution for individual states to attempt to secede. This violates the constitutional order.”

https://www.thelocal.de/20170103/bav...says-top-court

[Gallop]

Strasbourg rejects Puigdemont's suit against Spain for preventing the plenary after 1-O

The decision, very hard with the plaintiffs, considers that the alleged interference in the right of assembly of those affected responded to "an imperious social good"

The Strasbourg Court has rejected the lawsuit brought against Spain by 76 pro-independence deputies of the Parliament for the suspension of the plenary session in which it was planned to study the effects of the referendum on 1 October. The lawsuit, led by former House Speaker Carme Forcadell, included among others the signatures of former President Carles Puigdemont. The European Court of Human Rights, in which the defendants in the 1-O trial have placed their hopes, affirms that the claim is "manifestly unfounded" and considers that it should not be allowed to proceed.

The resolution, which is very harsh with the plaintiffs, considers that the alleged interference in the right of assembly of those affected was due to "an imperious social good" and that the suspension of the Plenary agreed by the Constitutional Court was "necessary in a democratic society". And that although a very strict interpretation of those limitations on the right of assembly must be made. The court states that the actions of the TC sought to maintain public safety, order and the protection of rights and freedoms.

In addition, the seven magistrates maintain that the decision of the Board of the House - presided by Forcadell - to convene that Plenary meant "a manifest lack of respect" to previous decisions of the Constitutional that had been aimed at protecting the constitutional order.

The Court recalls in its decision that a political party can promote a change in the legal or constitutional structures of a State, but "provided that it uses legal and democratic means" and that proposes a change "compatible with fundamental democratic principles". It also coincides with those reasoned by the TC in its resolutions, emphasizing that it is necessary to prevent parliamentarians representing "a minority" in Parliament from being deprived of the exercise of their functions. The plenary session violated those rights of the parliamentary minority and the citizens it represented, according to the TC and now ratifies Strasbourg.

The suit argued that, with that decision of the TC, Spain had violated the right of assembly and freedom of expression of the deputies of the coalition Junts pel Yes and the CUP. In addition to rejecting it, the magistrates recall that on October 10, 2017, the day after the scheduled date for the Plenary, President Carles Puigdemont ended up appearing before the Parliament and declared independence, leaving it immediately in abeyance.

The additional allegation that the right to a fair trial was violated has also been rejected, since, according to the judges, the Parlament was a party to the TC procedure in which the decisions were made. Therefore, his arguments could be heard.

The appeal was lodged by the lawyer Andreu Van den Eynde, who in the trial of 1-O in the Supreme Court defends the defendants Oriol Junqueras and Raül Romeva, two of the signatories of the lawsuit now inadmissible.

This is the second time that Strasbourg is pronounced on an issue related to the procés. The first, of lesser depth than the one known on Tuesday, was also favorable to Spain. In that case, the European court rejected the request of a representative of the electoral board of Tarragona to which the Constitutional Court warned of economic sanctions if it continued to ignore its resolutions. Faced with the claim of the applicant, Strasbourg considered that the imposition of sanctions by the TC did not involve any violation of their rights.

https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2019/0...b468b45be.html

[AlfonsoVIII]

[Gallop]

A political commissar of separatism intimidates the owner of a local by labeling in Spanish



An owner of a social establishment in Catalonia intimidated by a separatist for labeling his posters and signs only in Spanish and not in Catalan. This is the last action of the independentistas to frighten those that do not fold to the secionistas thesis, that is becoming viral in the social networks.
A separatist acting as a political commissar, betraying and intimidating the owner of a local for labeling their posters only in Spanish and not in Catalan. This is the video that is going viral in the networks.

The owner of this social establishment maintains a peaceful and indifferent attitude towards the intimidation attempt of the activist. "Hello, this recording that I am doing is to warn you that all the signs of your social premises are in Castilian, from this moment you have the obligation to put them, at least, in Spanish and Catalan, in Spanish as in Madrid, but Catalan can not be absent ", narrates the separatist while recording focusing at all times to the merchant.

Anything to say or not say anything in this recording ?, Nothing to argue? ", Asks the separatist activist, to which the owner of the place responds:" Nothing to say, ma'am. "She does it in an educated way while she attends to a client

This response does not like the author of this video, who then goes outside the premises to denounce that the outside signs are not in Catalan either. "Very well, see the owner of the 'everything in Spanish' and his social place, on the outside also in Spanish, the tortilla de patatas also in Spanish, all in Spanish, the tracks also in Spanish, absolutely everything in Spanish. serve as proof ", concludes the separatist at the end of his video.

Artur Mas came to the Generalitat of Catalonia in 2010, and since then the Government has imposed more than 1,000 penalties on businesses for not labeling in Catalan and has entered more than one million euros to date. In 2010, with Mas at the head of the regional government, 221,500 euros were paid with this type of sanctions. This figure has been reduced over time, since in 2017 exceeded the 75,000 euros collected by the Generalitat and in 2018 the 50,000 euros.



The censor entity that fined those businesses for labeling in Spanish is the Catalan Consumption Agency (ACC), which depends on the Department of Enterprise and Knowledge of the Generalitat of Catalonia. According to the data provided by this entity, in 2018 78 sanctions were imposed, compared to 67 in 2017, 70 in 2016, 68 in 2015, 57 in 2014 or 88 in 2013, a year to be traced to find more sanctions than those imposed in 2018.

What does the catalan law say?

The legal regime that establishes the linguistic rights of consumers in their relations with entrepreneurs and merchants who provide their services or market their products in the territorial area of Catalonia is established in Law 22/2010, of July 20, Consumer Code of Catalonia and Law 1/1998, of January 7, on Language Policy. In its article 4, the Catalan Law establishes that "consumers have the right to receive in Catalan any information of a fixed nature".

https://okdiario.com/espana/comisari...k4fVlugNoTH9wg

[Nurzat]

I remember the very shocking news videos showing Spanish police dragging Catalans by their hair out of voting booths.

I've never seen the underclass of Britain (chavs and drunkards) even behave as badly as this... attacking voters, kicking and punching them, and dragging people by their hair... just for going to democratically vote for their independence.

In 2014 there was an independence referendum held in Scotland, and Scottish people democratically voted in their 2014 independence referendum. The voters weren't punched or kicked or dragged by their hair out of voting booths, and their referendum was civilised and peaceful. In 2016, another peaceful referendum was held in the UK on independence from the EU.

I don't think people who live in third world countries get treated as barbarically as that if they go to vote in referendums.

People should be allowed to democratically vote in referendums without being savagely attacked.

The Spanish behave disgracefully towards the Basques and Catalans.

this

[Amapola]

What you support is irrelevant, and possibly incoherent co sidering the lack of grasp that you have about what has been going on in this country since the 70's.

[Gallop]

Rolls-Royce leaves Catalonia and moves its headquarters to Alicante

Rolls-Royce had been in Tarragona for more than 30 years, and now he has decided to move to Alicante. Since the illegal referendum on October 1, 2017, 5,500 companies have left Catalonia.

https://www.antena3.com/noticias/eco...M8Xjg33n43BslE