Y-dna in southern Serbia(Serbs only)

[Pribislav]

For now R1a is weaker in Torlakians than in Bulgarians and i expect that it will be changed with larger sample.

I know, Torlakians have less R1a, more I2a , less E1b and almost same R1b as Bulgarians.

I2a+R1a among Torlakians is quite closer to Bulgarian than to Serbian average for now.

[Skerdilaid]

Good part of that R1b looks like is BY611>Z2705.

[Ayetooey]

Much more I2a than expected.

[Aspar]

It seems that the Serbian Torlaks are the same as our Torlaks, or somewhere on the level with the Northern half of North Macedonia.
Let's remind ourselves what Coon has said about the Serbs:

"The Serbs are darker in pigmentation than either the Slovenes or the Croatians; 45 per cent of eyes are pure brown (Martin #2-4), as against 20 per cent which are pure or nearly pure light. Over 55 per cent have black or dark brown hair, while light browns and blonds come to less than 10 per cent. The beards are, of course, often lighter than the head hair. The skin is brunet-white or light-brown in at least a third of the total. It is unlikely that the prevalence of brunet pigmentation among the Serbs came from a Slavic source, and as we shall presently see, the high incidence of dark eyes can hardly be called Dinaric. By elimination we must suppose that the Serbs, in their sojourn in northern Macedonia. accumulated a strong brunet tendency."

I guess much of I2 is from the I-Z17855 branch which is the dominant one in North Macedonia and Bulgaria, couple with high prevalence of E-V13 and R1b.

[Pribislav]

It seems that the Serbian Torlaks are the same as our Torlaks, or somewhere on the level with the Northern half of North Macedonia.
Let's remind ourselves what Coon has said about the Serbs:

"The Serbs are darker in pigmentation than either the Slovenes or the Croatians; 45 per cent of eyes are pure brown (Martin #2-4), as against 20 per cent which are pure or nearly pure light. Over 55 per cent have black or dark brown hair, while light browns and blonds come to less than 10 per cent. The beards are, of course, often lighter than the head hair. The skin is brunet-white or light-brown in at least a third of the total. It is unlikely that the prevalence of brunet pigmentation among the Serbs came from a Slavic source, and as we shall presently see, the high incidence of dark eyes can hardly be called Dinaric. By elimination we must suppose that the Serbs, in their sojourn in northern Macedonia. accumulated a strong brunet tendency."

I guess much of I2 is from the I-Z17855 branch which is the dominant one in North Macedonia and Bulgaria, couple with high prevalence of E-V13 and R1b.

What a fuck Coon's view of Montenegrins have to do with y dna of southern Serbia?

[Aspar]

What a fuck Coon's view of Montenegrins have to do with y dna of southern Serbia?

Read again, it's about the Serbs not about the Monteniggers.
Just my 2 cents, that those from Vranje, Nis, Pirot, are closer to Bulgarians and Macedonian than the Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Read again, it's about the Serbs not about the Monteniggers.
Just my 2 cents, that those from Vranje, Nis, Pirot, are closer to Bulgarians and Macedonian than the Serbs.

Coon's reseach for Serbs is mostly based on Montenegrins. In Coon's time Montenegrins were Serbs, today most of them are not Serbs.

Again: what Coon have to do with y dna of southern Serbia?

Among Serbian Torlaks the strongest haplogroup is I2-PH908 as among all other Serbs.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Coon's reseach for Serbs is mostly based on Montenegrins. In Coon's time Montenegrins were Serbs, today most of them are not Serbs.

Again: what Coon have to do with y dna of southern Serbia?

Among Serbian Torlaks the strongest haplogroup is I2-PH908 as among all other Serbs.

No it isn't. This is description of Serbian Serbs he gave. Montenegrins were described as lighter in comparison.

[Aspar]

Coon's reseach for Serbs is mostly based on Montenegrins. In Coon's time Montenegrins were Serbs, today most of them are not Serbs.

Again: what Coon have to do with y dna of southern Serbia?

Among Serbian Torlaks the strongest haplogroup is I2-PH908 as among all other Serbs.

Read again, it says in their sojourn in northern Macedonia, not in Montenegro or Albania.
Any statistics about I2 in those regions, how much is Z17855, PH908?

[Pribislav]

No it isn't. This is description of Serbian Serbs he gave. Montenegrins were described as lighter in comparison.

This is one of the reasons why I concider Coon's reseachs for bullshit.

Montenegrins in reality are darker than other Serbs. Only total idiot can claim opposite.