Who'll win an "All Out" War; the Iberian Union or the Ottoman Caliphate?

[Selurong]

In an all out war, which renaissance superpower do you think will win?

The Iberian Union or the Ottoman Caliphate?

Will Constantinople be re-Christianized or Cordoba be re-Islamized?

==FOR COMPARISON==

Territories of the Iberian Union; allies and vassals included.



Territories of the Ottoman Caliphate; allies and vassals included.



Both the Union and the Caliphate had similar technology and population levels...

==SOME STATS ON THEIR RESPECTIVE PROVINCES==





Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lation_in_1600

So considering these factors, what Empire do you think will win an all out war? Please share your opinions and if possible, some strategies which would justify why your side would win.

[Bosniensis]

Ottomans, previously as Byzantines are much more combat tested and fought numerous wars for thousands of years.

[Ayetooey]

Ottomans obviously.

Iberian Union landmass is more spread out, and more vulnerable to attack. The Ottoman empire was a continuous stretch of land.

[Selurong]

Ottomans, previously as Byzantines are much more combat tested and fought numerous wars for thousands of years.

The Byzantines were already sacked by Latin Crusaders and gutted by a plague by the time the Turks invaded Constantinople, basically a dying entity by the time Mehmed the Conqueror attacked.

[Selurong]

Ottomans obviously.

Iberian Union landmass is more spread out, and more vulnerable to attack. The Ottoman empire was a continuous stretch of land.

I think the Iberians would have the upper hand in sea and naval warfare while the Ottomans are formidable in the land.

[Ayetooey]

I think the Iberians would have the upper hand in sea and naval warfare while the Ottomans are formidable in the land.

Possibly; but the Ottomans have an inherit advantage of a continuous landmass, as well as having their capital within the peripheral centre of their empire. It would be mad for the Ottomans to try and attack the Iberians through sea; especially as they were more interested in land raiding.

In an all out war between these two empires both in the long run would lose; even if the Ottomans win, they'd weaken themselves for revolutions within their subject regions.

[Selurong]

Ottomans obviously.

Iberian Union landmass is more spread out, and more vulnerable to attack. The Ottoman empire was a continuous stretch of land.

I actually think it's easier for the Iberians to defend their land and attack the Ottomans than the vice-versa. Most of Spain's wealth, their cash-cow, are in the silver mines in the Americas. The Ottomans obviously cannot mount a successful attack on a well guarded separate continent. While the Iberians can choke Muslim commerce by simply blockading the Red Sea and the Strait of Malacca.

After all, before hand, Egypt precisely fell to the Ottomans because their trade with India was then curtailed by the Portuguese. This caused a fiscal crisis that made Egypt weak enough to be invaded by the Ottomans. So if Portugal was able to cause trouble to Egypt by blockading the Red Sea, I guess the Iberian Union can cause trouble to the Ottoman Caliphate by employing the same tactic.

[Selurong]

Possibly; but the Ottomans have an inherit advantage of a continuous landmass, as well as having their capital within the peripheral centre of their empire. It would be mad for the Ottomans to try and attack the Iberians through sea; especially as they were more interested in land raiding.

In an all out war between these two empires both in the long run would lose; even if the Ottomans win, they'd weaken themselves for revolutions within their subject regions.

I think some well entrenched fortifications can possibly stop and if not, at least slow the Ottoman advance, take for example the case of Vienna, the Ottomans twice attempted to capture that city with overwhelming numbers yet its smaller number of defenders twice repulsed Ottoman attempts to capture Vienna.

[JMack]

lol

The ones answering 'Ottomans' are weaklings from Eastern Europe who got defeated by the Ottomans, so they need to justify their defeats.

The Portuguese alone humilliated the Ottomans (and other Muslims) in the Indian Ocean multiple times with smaller armies and navies.

[Ayetooey]

lol

The ones answering 'Ottomans' are weaklings from Eastern Europe who got defeated by the Ottomans, so they need to justify their defeats.
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Grow up.