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    Ordinary people can only guess at the goings-on at the meetings of the secretive Bilderberg Group, which is bringing together the world's financial and political elite this week. Conspiracy theories abound as to what is discussed and who is there. Why, asks Tom de Castella?

    The belief in secret cabals running the world is a hardy perennial. And on Thursday perhaps the most controversial clandestine organisation of our times - the Bilderberg Group - is meeting behind closed doors.

    In the manner of a James Bond plot, up to 150 leading politicians and business people are to gather in a ski resort in Switzerland for four days of discussion about the future of the world.

    Previous attendees of the group, which meets once a year in a five-star hotel, are said to have included Bill Clinton, Prince Charles and Peter Mandelson, as well as dozens of company CEOs.

    First meeting in 1954, the aim was to shore up US-European relations and prevent another world war. Now under the group's leadership of former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and one-time EU vice president, Viscount Davignon, the aim is purportedly to allow Western elites to share ideas.

    But conspiracy theorists have accused it of everything from deliberately engineering the credit crunch to planning to kill 80% of the world population. Longtime opponent and US radio host Alex Jones, heckled one meeting through a megaphone: "We know you are ruthless. We know you are evil. We respect your dark power."

    Part of the reason for alarm is the group's secretive working methods. Names of attendees are not usually released before the conference, meetings are closed to the public and the media, and no press releases are issued.

    The gnashing of teeth over Bilderberg is ridiculous, says Times columnist David Aaronovitch. "It's really an occasional supper club for the rich and powerful," he argues.

    Denis Healey, co-founder of the group, told the journalist Jon Ronson in his book Them that people overlook the practical benefits of informal networking. "Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended," he told him. "The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions."

    So why do groups like this cause so much alarm? Aaronovitch, who wrote the 2009 book Voodoo Histories, says plots to install a new world order have traditionally been a conspiracy fantasy. "They tend to believe that everything true, local and national is under threat from cosmopolitan, international forces often linked to financial capitalism and therefore, also often, to Jewish interests."

    Secret cabals extend beyond the Bilderberg Group. The Illuminati, which derives from a 16th Century Bavarian secret society, is alleged to be an all powerful secret society, including US presidents, that has controlled major world events. The Freemasons - famous for their peculiar handshakes - is a secret fraternity society that has become more open in recent years after extensive criticism.

    The charter of Hamas - the Islamist party governing Gaza - asserts that the Freemasons are in league with the Jews and those unlikely bully boys - the Rotary Club - to undermine Palestine.

    John Hamill, spokesman for freemasonry's governing body in England and Wales says the organisation is aware of Hamas's allegation.

    "There's no truth in it, freemasonry is apolitical. It probably arises because one of our ceremonies is about the story of King Solomon's Temple. For some reason Islamic governments translate that into Zionism."

    In fact, many conspiracy theories surrounding cabals hint at an anti-Semitic worldview. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a forged document, probably created by agents of Tsarist Russia, which appeared to show a Jewish plot to take over the world.

    Despite being proved to be a fraud, the idea has been kept alive by anti-Semites and has spawned later versions. One of those, the Zionist Occupational Government, argues that countries have puppet governments but that the real power is held by Jewish interests.

    More recently, former sports journalist David Icke has proclaimed that the world is governed by alien, reptilian shape shifters. In other words, giant lizards.

    There is obviously no right-wing monopoly on conspiracy theories. During the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Hilary Clinton blamed a "vast right-wing conspiracy" for her husband's predicament. And more recently, some on the left have argued that the 9/11 attacks were organised by President Bush's inner circle in order to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The politics of cabals has always been pretty muddled, says James McConnachie, co-author of the Rough Guide to Conspiracy Theories. These groups allow protesters to project their own fears onto them.

    In the US, the most extreme fear over Bilderberg is of a hidden cabal run by the European Union and threatening American freedoms. In Europe, the view is often of a free market elite trying to push through a right-wing agenda.

    "Conspiracy theories are quite blind to conventional notions of left and right," says McConnachie. "The left is organising an international government. Meanwhile, global capitalism on the right may be doing the same thing by different means."

    For Aaronovitch what often triggers widespread cabal theories are moments of great upheaval.

    "It happens a lot when times are changing significantly. Whether, oddly, they are changing for better as well as for the worse. Why did McCarthyism happen at the time when US economy was growing faster than at any time in history?"

    Society was in flux, the economy expanding rapidly and millions of servicemen were coming back from the war.

    It's not just the about social context. Some people are more susceptible than others to believing in wacky cabals, says Prof Chris French, of Goldsmith College's psychology department. "It's people who tend to be alienated by the mainstream, who feel powerless. They have a need to have a sense of control."

    Not only do they not trust the government, they tend not to trust their neighbours either. And in the need for control, there may be links to the roots of religious belief, he says.

    The conspiracy theorists may get overexcited but they have a point, says Prof Andrew Kakabadse, co-author of new book Bilderberg People.

    The group has genuine power that far outranks the World Economic Forum, which meets in Davos, he argues. And with no transparency, it is easy to see why people are worried about its influence.

    "It's much smarter than conspiracy," says Prof Kakabadse. "This is moulding the way people think so that it seems like there's no alternative to what is happening."

    The agenda the group has is to bring together the political elites on both right and left, let them mix in relaxed, luxurious surroundings with business leaders, and let the ideas fizz.

    It may seem like a glorified dinner party but that is to miss the point. "When you've been to enough dinner parties you see a theme emerging," he says. The theme at Bilderberg is to bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe, he says.

    "Is this all leading to the start of the ruling the world idea? In one sense yes. There's a very strong move to have a One World government in the mould of free market Western capitalism."

    Degree of nefariousness

    Conventional critiques of alienated people seeking order in a chaotic world may well be true. But there's more to it than that, McConnachie argues.

    "The other explanation is more dangerous. That they are precisely right - they just over-egg the way they articulate it."

    The Bilderberg Group matches up to how a global conspiracy would work - a secretive body attempting to shape the direction of the world, he suggests.

    "The only difference is the degree of nefariousness," he says. "They tend to see this cabal as outright evil. When things are more nuanced than that."

    For all the tales of lizards running the world, we all owe a debt to conspiracy theorists, McConnachie argues.

    "Occasionally you have to give credit to conspiracy theorists who raise issues that the mainstream press has ignored. It's only recently that the media has picked up on the Bilderbergers. Would the media be running stories if there weren't these wild allegations flying around?"

    But Aaronovitch disagrees. Believing in cabals leads to certain groups being victimised and obstructs a rational view of the world.

    "To have a strong belief in the Bilderberg Group means believing in a fantasy," he says. "It suggests that there are people - like God - acting as a higher power. And it replaces the intolerable thought that there's nothing at work at all, that the world is chaotic. It may be a form of therapy but it has people believing in an anti-scientific message."
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    The Bilderbergers have a strange, varied, and largely unknown history among their detractors. Prince Bernhard's involvement with the Nazis (though he wasn't a Nazi by conviction) and the fact that the group was founded to counter growing Soviet sponsored anti-Americanism in Western Europe are interesting factoids.

    We read here:

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    The original conference was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg, near Arnhem in the Netherlands, from 29 May to 31 May 1954. It was initiated by several people, including Polish politician Józef Retinger, concerned about the growth of anti-Americanism in Western Europe, who proposed an international conference at which leaders from European countries and the United States would be brought together with the aim of promoting Atlanticism – better understanding between the cultures of the United States and Western Europe to foster cooperation on political, economic, and defense issues.[7] Retinger approached Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who agreed to promote the idea, together with Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland, and the head of Unilever at that time, Dutchman Paul Rijkens. Bernhard in turn contacted Walter Bedell Smith, then head of the CIA, who asked Eisenhower adviser Charles Douglas Jackson to deal with the suggestion.[8] The guest list was to be drawn up by inviting two attendees from each nation, one of each to represent conservative and liberal points of view.[7] Fifty delegates from 11 countries in Western Europe attended the first conference, along with 11 Americans
    So in essence it's an Atlanticist group.

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    Bilderberg mystery: Why do people believe in cabals?
    Birds of a feather flock together.

    No conspiracy. No grand visions of lunacy (although they do exist on the fringe)

    Simple fact is people lineate by ethnicity, race or what have you and compete to ensure that exists at the top.

    Just thank the Gods that we have useful idiots to deny such a biological fact.

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    The Bilderberger became simply a synonym for the conspirative and manipulative activities of the Plutocratic Oligarchy and their networks.

    It is very important because some high ranking people from various societal groups, including economic and political leaders, meet there and can communicate personally what the next steps will be.

    To say it is just a "conspiracy theory" is false and while a honest human being could have said so some years ago, it became impossible by now, since our knowledge, even that of the mainstream and mass media, about certain aspects of the Financial and societal system grew enormously.

    Also, many actions of the Plutocracy and their menials being no longer hidden from the public, they officially declared what those involved want, on various occasions - because many goals of the past being ACHIEVED BY NOW!

    To concentrate too much on "the Bilderberger" is only insofar a problem, as there are REAL STRUCTURES of power, profits and control behind it and THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

    The meeting as such is just one event among many others which helps to ensure things are running smoothly for the Anglo-Jewish Plutocracy!

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    I used to read anti-Bilderberg conspiracy sheets and am struck by the lack of concrete evidence for misdeeds. Perhaps others have examples. The criticism seems to rest entirely on their secretive nature - no sin by itself, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe McCarthy View Post
    I used to read anti-Bilderberg conspiracy sheets and am struck by the lack of concrete evidence for misdeeds. Perhaps others have examples. The criticism seems to rest entirely on their secretive nature - no sin by itself, imo.
    The problem is, that some obvious names of Plutocrats, their organisations, menials and think tanks appear on a regular basis, they are always there.

    Then you have people which change, primarily because in a "Democratic system" politicians change "from time to time".

    Now you have those fucking meetings in relative secrecy, for which the states have to pay usually, if their corrupted politicians go to it, and when the politicians come back, they often have specific "ideas" of how to go on with things.

    Go figure...

    First of all, why is there a need for such meeting in secrecy with the Plutocracy and their menials for "democratically elected politicians" which have a lot of "official meetings".

    This is just some kind of briefind and debate about how to go on and fact is, that in this meeting the Plutocracy and their direct allies and menials meet with the politicians to discuss "world politics."

    Conspiracy or not, this is in itself "somewhat problematic", especially if looking at what kind of politicians and political decisions being "bred this way".

    I repeat: Bilderberger is no source, it is just a mean, because even today, the Oligarchy wants to gather "their people" and those which should follow PERSONALLY.

    Whether you call that Bilderberger, because of this "Bilderberger Group" meetings, or whether you call it differently, this meetings are important for inofficial decision making processes in economy and politics. That's the point.

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    If conspiracies do not exist, then why are there laws against them? People are indicted for and convicted of participating in criminal conspiracies every day.
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    I think it's good for the world's leaders to get together in secret and make deals, despite the fact it's considered illegal for them to do so in many countries including the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smaland View Post
    If conspiracies do not exist, then why are there laws against them? People are indicted for and convicted of participating in criminal conspiracies every day.
    Yes, just look up for illegal-informal price-fixing agreements, which almost always work against the customers, not even for the workers, but just the big corporations and banks, investors in a lot of cases.

    They are usually illegal, they are unwanted (by the common people), but they happen all the time...

    The Financial Oligarchy plays the same games in the high finance and politics on a much higher, sophisticated and much more important level, which affects billions of people, whole nations and states, essentially all of mankind.

    And that these "chosen few" can influence so much, especially if considering where they are coming from, is surely no good thing. If you doubt that, look at where we Europeans and the world are heading to since World War 2, but especially after the 1990's...

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    Default There are "Conspiracy Theories", and then there are Genuine Conspiracies

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    1) In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    2) And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

    3) His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

    4) And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

    5) And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

    6) He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

    7) And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

    8) And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.

    9) And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

    10) Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

    11) Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.

    12) And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,

    13) Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.

    14) And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.

    15) So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.


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