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    It promotes the view that Lebanese people, or sometimes exclusively just Lebanese Christians, are not Arabs and that the Lebanese speak a distinct language and have their own culture, separate from that of the surrounding Middle Eastern countries. Supporters of this theory of Lebanese ethnogenesis maintain that the Lebanese are descended from Phoenicians and are not Arabs. Some also maintain that Levantine Arabic is not an Arabic variety, rather a variation of Neo-Aramaic, but has become a distinctly separate language.

    Proponents claim that the land of Lebanon has been inhabited uninterruptedly since Phoenician times, and that the current population descends from the original population, with some admixture due to immigration over the centuries. They argue that Arabization merely represented a shift to the Arabic language as the vernacular of the Lebanese people, and that, according to them, no actual shift of ethnic identity, much less ancestral origins, occurred. In light of this "old controversy about identity",[4] some Lebanese prefer to see Lebanon, Lebanese culture and themselves as part of "Mediterranean" and "Canaanite" civilization, in a concession to Lebanon's various layers of heritage, both indigenous, foreign non-Arab, and Arab. Some consider addressing all Lebanese as Arabs somewhat insensitive, and prefer to call them Lebanese as a sign of respect of Lebanon's long non-Arabic past.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicianism

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    The whole clash between arabism and phoenicianism is political with a grain of religious rivalry opposing muslims and christians, MENA phantom states suffered for a long time from an absence of ideological cap that could lead them to social progress, this vacancy evolved into a rejection of whatever political aspiration or dominant group, creating incessant social tumult, same situation is observable in Maghreb, Egypt, Iraq, Sudan, Syria, or Yemen.

    Dragging the debate to genetics is ridiculous, genetic make-up doesn't change so radically unless a vast campaign of ethnic cleansing is done, which was not the case for Lebanon, the Arabic component is present but the stock is mainly Canaanite or Aramean, and they interacted with no major problems so far that ended up with a good homogeneous demographic structure of the Lebanese population, a Sunni from Beirut is not different to a Greek-orthodox from Tripoli; the clearer thing is the language shift to Arabic, Lebanese mother tongue is actually Arabic with great intelligibility degree to other dialects, other Semitic influence is demonstrable, but the factually it is still considered as a development from classical Arabic.

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    i have nothing against the op/tread author

    but o no not this type of thread again i hate these tread where it talk about that talk about whatsoever these people are arabs are or not will for my it's more "Grey" than people wo usually follow the two others side one is the black side: they are (or we are) 100/90% Arabic (usually comments made by pan-Arabist or people that believe this or these country outside of the Arabian peninsula is 100% Arabs) the other is the white side: they are not (or we are not) Arabs ethnically (usually commentary made by Berberist and maybe others group such as Phoenicianist or even maybe Pharaonism ? or people that believe that these are not Arabs but Arabized people)

    well i personally believe than both ethnics Arabs among both Christians and Muslim and historical autochthonous non-Arabs also among both Christians and Muslim (such as the Copts,Berbers,Armeans...)

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    Yes.

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    They seem very different from Gulf arabs who look more Indian/Persian. Lebanese tend to be more Med looking.

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    Lebanese Muslims are the same as Christian Lebanese there is no genetic difference between them. Some Muslims Lebanese group seem more European shifted. Da Christian Lebs are Phoenician and Lebanese Muslims are Arabs is nothing short of BS created by the French colonials. It’s a French myth. Never mind that pre-Bronze age Levant was Arabian like. Many Christian Lebanese descent from these Arabian tribes some Tayy clans, Ghassanids, Banu Makhzum a Qurashi clan, Banu Taghlib, well others descent from Arameans and Assyrians, of course they did not keep those tribal identities and they became family names. M Many Christian Lebanese think their special because the French told them to lol. Now I even see morons claiming Shia Lebanese are Persian, wtf. It was Lebanese clerks who brought 12er Shiaism to Iran. Basically Lebanese Muslim and Christians are the same people divided by religion nothing more and nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Lebanese Muslims are the same as Christian Lebanese there is no genetic difference between them. Some Muslims Lebanese group seem more European shifted. Da Christian Lebs are Phoenician and Lebanese Muslims are Arabs is nothing short of BS created by the French colonials. It’s a French myth. Never mind that pre-Bronze age Levant was Arabian like. Many Christian Lebanese descent from these Arabian tribes some Tayy clans, Ghassanids, Banu Makhzum a Qurashi clan, Banu Taghlib, well others descent from Arameans and Assyrians, of course they did not keep those tribal identities and they became family names. M Many Christian Lebanese think their special because the French told them to lol. Now I even see morons claiming Shia Lebanese are Persian, wtf. It was Lebanese clerks who brought 12er Shiaism to Iran. Basically Lebanese Muslim and Christians are the same people divided by religion nothing more and nothing less.
    Yea lebanese shias were not persians lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    Yea lebanese shias were not persians lol
    Exactly. Christians are not Phoenicians either. They can dream they are, but it will remain a dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Exactly. Christians are not Phoenicians either. They can dream they are, but it will remain a dream.
    Then who the fuck are modern day Phoenicians? Pakistanis?

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