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    Quote Originally Posted by Avicenna View Post
    The title is misleading. The term "middle eastern " has connotations such as generic " Semitic/ natufian " appearance which dominates the arab world such as Yemen, Saudi, Yes Levant as well contary to others, North Africa and Southern Mesopatamia.

    If the title was , " Do Greeks look West Asian"? I think would be more plausible . Still nonetheless they don't , they look European for the most part but yes, west asians like Anatolians, Assyrians, Armenians, Georgians, Iranics and Levantines can produce types that could overlap with not most Greeks but Balkanites and other southern euros,albeit it's not the norm.
    The same case must apply to Europeans if you are going to differentiate Middle Easterners from certain areas. Europeans do not all look alike so there really is no such thing as looking European look either. Greeks look first and foremost Balkan or east-Mediterranean like similar to central & southern Italians, Albanians and Bulgarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avicenna View Post
    The title is misleading. The term "middle eastern " has connotations such as generic " Semitic/ natufian " appearance which dominates the arab world such as Yemen, Saudi, Yes Levant as well contary to others, North Africa and Southern Mesopatamia.

    If the title was , " Do Greeks look West Asian"? I think would be more plausible . Still nonetheless they don't , they look European for the most part but yes, west asians like Anatolians, Assyrians, Armenians, Georgians, Iranics and Levantines can produce types that could overlap with not most Greeks but Balkanites and other southern euros,albeit it's not the norm.
    And what do you mean with not most Greeks but Balkanites and other southern euros? Greeks overlap with West Asians even more than other Balkanites and southern euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    The same case must apply to Europeans if you are going to differentiate Middle Easterners from certain areas. Europeans do not all look alike so there really is no such thing as looking European look either. Greeks look first and foremost Balkan or east-Mediterranean like similar to central & southern Italians, Albanians and Bulgarians.
    I agree to an extent. For instance I would need to remind you that Europeans, whether from Greece or Ireland are quite homogenous in terms of genetics and are Alot closer to each other than let's say, a Yemeni is to a Georgian. Also, Alot of Europeans do have this " European vibe" about them which cannot be ignored.

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    Greeks look European. Mediterranean-Balkanian. A very small part of them can look pseudo-Middle Eastern, tanned or mixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    And what do you mean with not most Greeks but Balkanites and other southern euros? Greeks overlap with West Asians even more than other Balkanites and southern euros.
    Meaning that you will find West Asians who could look similar to Greeks and Balkanites. Yes on average Greeks would be the nation with the most overlap with them compared to other Balkanites .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avicenna View Post
    I agree to an extent. For instance I would need to remind you that Europeans, whether from Greece or Ireland are quite homogenous in terms of genetics and are Alot closer to each other than let's say, a Yemeni is to a Georgian. Also, Alot of Europeans do have this " European vibe" about them which cannot be ignored.
    Well Greeks and southern Italians in specific are quite distant outliers on PCA, and closer to Jews. But yes the rest of Europe generally clusters closer to each other than West Asian groups do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitri159 View Post
    Well Greeks and southern Italians in specific are quite distant outliers on PCA, and closer to Jews. But yes the rest of Europe generally clusters closer to each other than West Asian groups do.
    I believe Albanians and some Balkan ethnic groups are also somewhat outlying on European PCA charts as well though I'm not sure how accurate they are at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinalFlash View Post
    I believe Albanians and some Balkan ethnic groups are also somewhat outlying on European PCA charts as well though I'm not sure how accurate they are at this point.
    Albanians, N. Macedonians and Bulgarians yes but the rest of the Balkans are more closely within the European bulk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    Greeks look European. Mediterranean-Balkanian. A very small part of them can look pseudo-Middle Eastern, tanned or mixed.
    A very small part of them can look very West Asian, but many look pseudo or similar. The same case applies to Albanians and Italians.

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    Greeks look like Greeks.

    So we can say that:

    The Greeks look south-eastern Europeans (because that's what the area is called)

    Due to the positioning, the sun and other environmental conditions, the Greeks can easily be "similar" to their neighboring countries.

    The more distant a neighbor is, the less this country will be "similar" to the Greeks.

    But the closer it is, the more "similar" it will be.

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