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    Default Do right-wing dictators like Pinochet and Suharto count as "fascist"?

    I don't think they necessarily do. To me, fascism proper still entails a high degree of State intervention in the economy and a substantial welfare state, just not to the same extent as in communism. By contrast, the two aforementioned dictators and other similar regimes sought to minimise public welfare programmes and privatise and marketise several companies and industries.


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    To me, fascism proper still entails a high degree of State intervention in the economy

    yep

    and a substantial welfare state,

    less so.

    But yeh, I don't consider an aggressive authoritarian market liberal a fascist. He was more about market ideology and abstract economic like modern USA. Rather than blood, soil or romantic volkish nationalism. Fascism is usually more folk orientated. Whether on the purity of their genes like the nazis, or a romantic focus on their history and culture like the Italians where

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellbeaking View Post
    To me, fascism proper still entails a high degree of State intervention in the economy

    yep

    and a substantial welfare state,

    less so.

    But yeh, I don't consider an aggressive authoritarian market liberal a fascist. He was more about market ideology and abstract economic like modern USA. Rather than blood, soil or romantic volkish nationalism. Fascism is usually more folk orientated. Whether on the purity of their genes like the nazis, or a romantic focus on their history and culture like the Italians where
    When you say 'he', are you referring to Pinochet or Suharto?

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    Pinochet saved Chile's economy and future kicking out the leftist Salvador Allende. Pinochet is a national hero (or should be).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    Pinochet saved Chile's economy and future kicking out the leftist Salvador Allende. Pinochet is a national hero (or should be).
    For a while Chile did well, but it went tits up in 1982 and several banks and companies were nationalised in order to save them. (Granted, most of them were privatised again two years later. However, one company Pinochet did NOT privatise was the copper mining company created by Allende, which became a sustainable and important source of revenue). Btw, what do you think of the Brazilian military junta (1964-85)?

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    I think Bolsonaro is the new Pinochet.

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    Not at all.
    Fascism is third position, so, nor left nor right.

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    Pinochet was an American lapdog, a weakling that should be a shame for any Chilean. In no way a neo-liberal would qualify as a ''fascist''.
    It's like calling some American cuckservative scumbags ''fascists'' only because they are racists, it's ridiculous.

    The word ''fascist'' is overused by liberal/leftist media. They even called Dumbonaro ''fascist''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Wog View Post
    Not at all.
    Fascism is third position, so, nor left nor right.
    Precisely my point. Compared to Pinochet and Suharto, Peron was more fascistic but was also more left-wing (and less authoritarian).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    For a while Chile did well, but it went tits up in 1982 and several banks and companies were nationalised in order to save them. (Granted, most of them were privatised again two years later. However, one company Pinochet did NOT privatise was the copper mining company created by Allende, which became a sustainable and important source of revenue). Btw, what do you think of the Brazilian military junta (1964-85)?
    Please, can you rate my english skills? Just quote me rating my english, because I'm curious about this. You can rate my english on this mold - 4/10, 7/10, 5/10, ok?

    My answer about you ask: I have mixed feelings about it. Joo Goulart (our last president before army got the power) was not a communist as some people like to point out. In fact, He did want to nationalize some companies and make an agrarian reform, but he was not a communist. Castelo Branco (our first military president) did not want to keep the power under the army's hands for a long time; his ideia was about kick out Joo Goulart and convene a new election (he was a moderate). Well, in fact the army got to construct a lot of important constructions, infrastructure, etc; but, they made our external debt too big. Of course, they were not so corrupted as our nowadays's politicians, so a lot of people like to worship them - but I don't.

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