View Poll Results: Do right-wing dictators like Pinochet and Suharto count as "fascist"?

Voters
24. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    1 4.17%
  • No

    21 87.50%
  • Only certain cases

    2 8.33%
Page 7 of 8 FirstFirst ... 345678 LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 79

Thread: Do right-wing dictators like Pinochet and Suharto count as "fascist"?

  1. #61
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:40 PM
    Ethnicity
    British and Colombian
    Country
    Wales
    Gender
    Posts
    74,276
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 26,206
    Given: 43,750

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Noonz View Post
    I don't think communist states such as the USSR were authoritarian. Authoritarian to the western imperialists maybe, because the USSR had a dictatorship of the proletariat, while western countries have a dictatorship of capital. To those who control the state+have all the money/power and whatnot in the western world it's obvious that they'll refer to the former as "authoritarian" and the latter as "democratic". This is because in the former there's democracy for the workers, while in the latter there's democracy for the rich.

    As for how I define fascism though, I of course see it as capitalism in crisis. It's what capitalism resorts to to save itself from communistic uprising.
    Fascism is dictatorial, reactionary nationalist, anti-egalitarian, and maintains strict class structure (fascists want class collaboration, not class struggle). You may consider corporatism part of it as well, but to me capitalism and corporatism go hand in hand. That is to say, even though liberals will claim they don't want corporatism, the fact is capitalism inevitably results in corporatism and oligarchy nevertheless.
    Only your second paragraph makes sense. Fascism may work with capitalism, but it certainly is far removed from classical liberal economics. As for your first paragraph, as a left-leaning person myself who cringes at the reactionary and often downright bigoted views of lots of people in this forum, what you wrote is utter bollocks.

  2. #62
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:40 PM
    Ethnicity
    British and Colombian
    Country
    Wales
    Gender
    Posts
    74,276
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 26,206
    Given: 43,750

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    Mainly as CIA agent, more in May.
    I'm still interested in your response.

  3. #63
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:40 PM
    Ethnicity
    British and Colombian
    Country
    Wales
    Gender
    Posts
    74,276
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 26,206
    Given: 43,750

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Faklon View Post
    Mainly as CIA agent, more in May.
    Have you got an answer now?

  4. #64
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:40 PM
    Ethnicity
    British and Colombian
    Country
    Wales
    Gender
    Posts
    74,276
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 26,206
    Given: 43,750

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    As I just mentioned both OP dictators in a separate thread of mine written in Spanish about the tacit alliance between Castro and Franco, I thought I would revive this thread.

  5. #65
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:40 PM
    Ethnicity
    British and Colombian
    Country
    Wales
    Gender
    Posts
    74,276
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 26,206
    Given: 43,750

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Maybe here I asked the wrong question. Perhaps instead I should have asked "were Hitler, Mussolini and Franco right-wing?" (Yes I know they believed in natural inequalities and hierarchies, and their economies weren't 100% nationalised economies in the Soviet-Chinese-Cuban sense. Nevertheless, they still privileged community over the individual, and there were still plenty of state-owned companies and industries, along with various tariffs, subsidies and protections).

  6. #66
    I was blind but now I see
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Sebastianus Rex's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Online
    04-10-2024 @ 03:48 AM
    Ethnicity
    Portuguese
    Country
    Portugal
    Gender
    Posts
    10,330
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 8,665
    Given: 5,623

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Maybe here I asked the wrong question. Perhaps instead I should have asked "were Hitler, Mussolini and Franco right-wing?" (Yes I know they believed in natural inequalities and hierarchies, and their economies weren't 100% nationalised economies in the Soviet-Chinese-Cuban sense. Nevertheless, they still privileged community over the individual, and there were still plenty of state-owned companies and industries, along with various tariffs, subsidies and protections).
    Maybe Franco was moderately right wing, the other two, Hitler and Mussolini were socialist asf., therefore they were lefties...as 99% of the tyrants/dictators.

  7. #67
    High on life and drunk on knowledge
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    PaleoEuropean's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Last Online
    05-02-2022 @ 05:30 PM
    Location
    A trailer
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Ascended Nubian Pharaoh
    Ethnicity
    Canned Fried Chicken
    Ancestry
    Black and Bold
    Country
    United States
    Region
    Aboriginal
    Y-DNA
    E1b1N1GA
    mtDNA
    Nubian
    Taxonomy
    Black Israelite
    Politics
    Ham Sandwich
    Hero
    Elvis
    Religion
    Ham Sandwich Gang
    Relationship Status
    Married to Cousin
    Age
    69
    Gender
    Posts
    17,325
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 21,067
    Given: 39,632

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Maybe here I asked the wrong question. Perhaps instead I should have asked "were Hitler, Mussolini and Franco right-wing?" (Yes I know they believed in natural inequalities and hierarchies, and their economies weren't 100% nationalised economies in the Soviet-Chinese-Cuban sense. Nevertheless, they still privileged community over the individual, and there were still plenty of state-owned companies and industries, along with various tariffs, subsidies and protections).
    Franco was populist and militarist, but also a traditionalist.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

    Kekgenes K13

    1 Swahili+ Jew + Kekistani + Trailerparkistan @ 6.9420

    M.T.A
    Celt + Frank (4.869)
    Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.463)
    Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.545)
    Celt + Saxon (5.789)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.283)
    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
    Viking Icelandic (10.34)
    Viking Danish (10.4)
    Saxon (10.79)

    kit 2
    Celt + Belgae (4.016)
    Viking Danish + Belgae (5.555)
    Belgae + Frank (5.797)
    Celt + Frank (6.031)
    Celt (6.297)
    Viking Danish + Celt (6.441)
    Belgae (8.662)
    Viking Danish (8.925)
    Frank (9.409)
    Saxon (10.83)

  8. #68
    Veteran Member Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Last Online
    Today @ 12:40 PM
    Ethnicity
    British and Colombian
    Country
    Wales
    Gender
    Posts
    74,276
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 26,206
    Given: 43,750

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Maybe Franco was moderately right wing, the other two, Hitler and Mussolini were socialist asf., therefore they were lefties...as 99% of the tyrants/dictators.
    Now the part in bold is an exaggeration. I would say that most dictators in SE Asia and Latin America (such as those discussed in the OP), and maybe 40-50% of those in Africa, have been of the Right.

  9. #69
    Hellenic Zeno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2019
    Last Online
    Yesterday @ 09:17 PM
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Hellenic
    Ethnicity
    Greek
    Ancestry
    Peloponnese
    Country
    Greece
    Taxonomy
    Pontid
    Age
    21
    Gender
    Posts
    7,909
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 9,451
    Given: 7,900

    2 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Maybe Franco was moderately right wing, the other two, Hitler and Mussolini were socialist asf., therefore they were lefties...as 99% of the tyrants/dictators.
    Basically this. National Socialism in practice was a mix of pure socialism with some capitalist aspects, which was heavily ethnocentric (for the Germans, hence the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei denomination).

    But in many aspects, they were indeed right wing. But their basis on economics was left.
    "Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not"
    - Επίκουρος

  10. #70
    Veteran Member Parça do Neymar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2020
    Last Online
    03-30-2021 @ 12:09 AM
    Ethnicity
    Sicilian
    Country
    Italy
    Region
    Sicily
    Gender
    Posts
    1,293
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 1,595
    Given: 1,261

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Pinochet's market-oriented reforms were Libertarian in principle and largely based on the teachings of the Chicago school of economics. Some faggots like to use a loose definition of Fascism (as a synonym for non-Communist authoritarian regime), but it definitely wasn't Fascism proper.

Page 7 of 8 FirstFirst ... 345678 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 60
    Last Post: 03-23-2022, 01:22 PM
  2. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 04-27-2017, 11:46 AM
  3. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11-21-2010, 05:34 PM
  4. NY Times: "Right-Wing Sentiment, Ready to Burst Its Dam"
    By Smaland in forum Deutschland - English Entries
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-25-2010, 02:50 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •