Do right-wing dictators like Pinochet and Suharto count as "fascist"?

**Sebastianus Rex** · 04-01-2019, 04:45 PM

No, they were economic liberals, not socialists like Fascists are. They were just anti-communist that's why the left labelled them as fascist.

**Nucerian** · 04-01-2019, 05:16 PM

Fascism is nothing more than a government with unlimited power and control over everything in the state. We could also add that fascism gets along with corporatism. Basically totalitarianism at its finest.
But Pinochet and Suharto were pretty much economic neoliberals so i wouldn't say they could be labelled as fascists.

**Tooting Carmen** · 04-01-2019, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex

No, they were economic liberals, not socialists like Fascists are. They were just anti-communist that's why the left labelled them as fascist.

Also because their methods were indeed authoritarian, even though their actual policies and aims were quite different from true fascists.

**Tooting Carmen** · 04-01-2019, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex

No, they were economic liberals, not socialists like Fascists are. They were just anti-communist that's why the left labelled them as fascist.

Would you describe the Salazar regime as fascist (in the proper sense), right-wing authoritarian similar to the two aforementioned dictators, or somewhere in between?

**Visage pâle** · 04-01-2019, 08:43 PM

I know very little about them, but fascism was revolutionnary, Pinochet wasn't.

**Tooting Carmen** · 04-01-2019, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Visage pâle

I know very little about them, but fascism was revolutionary, Pinochet wasn't.

Would you thus agree that many of the FN's policies are actually more left-leaning than right-leaning, aside from their policies regarding race and immigration?

**Visage pâle** · 04-01-2019, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

Would you thus agree that many of the FN's policies are actually more left-leaning than right-leaning, aside from their policies regarding race and immigration?

Yes they are; at least since Marine le Pen, the father was much more liberal (economically).

**Sebastianus Rex** · 04-01-2019, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

Also because their methods were indeed authoritarian, even though their actual policies and aims were quite different from true fascists.

Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen

Would you describe the Salazar regime as fascist (in the proper sense), right-wing authoritarian similar to the two aforementioned dictators, or somewhere in between?

1. They were authoritharian but so were communists, being authoritharian makes simeone Fascist? Of course not.

2. Salazar was also not Fascist, altough the Fascist (Mussolini) model was an inspiration during the earlier period of his regime. But he was surely less liberal than Pinochet.

**The Lawspeaker** · 04-01-2019, 08:49 PM

Either way, they both did something right: they dealt with the Left.

**Roy** · 04-01-2019, 08:51 PM

Well not all people are fully aware what fascism is and what isn't. So in some colloquial sense they are considered as fascists and it won't change.

In some even more generic and absolutely wrong way one can describe almost everyone as ''fascist'' if they don't share your extremely liberal point of view. The meaning of this word sort of blurred in the public conscience, to say the least.